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Well, I added a citation sourced to Newsweek Pakistan to what I added in the article. Can you clarify what you mean by adding "unreferenced or poorly referenced" information? Mar4d (talk) 07:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The information you added wasn't verifiable by the source (or just a misleading, cherry-picked bit of information from the source, depending on your perspective) and was most definitely controversial. Best stay away from BLP articles if you can't take more care to follow WP:BLP. --Ronz (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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Tip off and ISI

Thanks for the tip off... the report was a bad faith even without informing me of it, the article is protected now. The Urdu name you just added to ISI, are you sure they use the translation? I've seen them using transliteration ie. آی ایس آی... --lTopGunl (talk) 06:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

All good. Actually, I didn't add the Urdu translation manually; I copy-pasted it over from the Urdu Wikipedia version of the article which apparently has that title. Mar4d (talk) 06:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

That might slightly border on circular referencing but since it actually translates to that as well, let's keep it till some other Urdu speaker objects with some reference on whether the organization itself uses translation or transliteration for the Urdu name. On a side note, try CRULP's Urdu keyboard set up which can be switched from taskbar when needed (typing is transliteration based, so fast). --lTopGunl (talk) 07:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I often use Google Urdu Transliteration, which is also quite good. Have you tried it before? Mar4d (talk) 07:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I used that before but that has to be opened, languages chosen, transliterated and then cut-pasted. The keyboard setup is as easy one time setting (downloading keyboard setup from the CRULP site and a Nastaliq font) and allows to type in Nastaliq by switching to it with a keyboard shortcut while typing in a textbox and switching back to English when done. A bit handy. --lTopGunl (talk) 07:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

True. Will give it a try. Mar4d (talk) 07:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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Sure, I'll take a look. Is this what you use for reverting vandalism? Mar4d (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

No, this will just give you options to add colours to selected pages in your watchlist for ease. Since your account is in good standing you can ask for rollback rights here, that is used to revert vandalism. --lTopGunl (talk) 03:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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Pakistan

A peer review on Pakistan has been put up for a drive to promote it back to "Featured Article" status. You might want to join in your spare editing time. --lTopGunl (talk) 23:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I'll give my two cents if there's anything I find in the article that needs improvement. Mar4d (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Participation needed at Talk:Pakistan studies

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GA review of 2011 NATO attack in Pakistan

2011 NATO attack in Pakistan is getting a Good Article review. Might need some quick fixes if the reviewer asks. I'm waiting for reviewer comments though. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be there to help around. Mar4d (talk) 12:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, check out the review page then. It is on hold till the stated issues are fixed. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

• Lol. Cleared overnight. Now you've to get it to FA :p --lTopGunl (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, that was quick! I was a bit busy so wasn't able to give it enough time, though I was with the impression that it'd definitely take a week or so to clear up the issues. Good job :) Mar4d (talk) 02:38, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought so too. The reviewer actually put it to hold for a week, but our preemptive usage of templates helped out. Got it fixed overnight and passed. Thanks. :] --lTopGunl (talk) 02:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Investigation reports

Ok, this was seen coming. An IP has added this section to the NATO attack article - not in very good formatting either. It was recent content without discussion but I'm not sure if I can remove it under WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, since we were already expecting that update. Maybe we should combine the reports you gave here and improve it to match the rest of the article's quality. --lTopGunl (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• I've removed it for now since there are many reports from all sides and it is something more of a recentism without processing the prose. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Filing an SPI

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Thanks for the link Ian. Will do shortly. Mar4d (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

No need. [1]. He's blocked now. Keep a look out for sleepers while the case is fresh. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Good decision. What a nuisance that turned out to be. Hopefully, we can now concentrate back on the interrupted work. The only positive that probably comes out of this is that if he starts this again (he's already done it three times on me), we now have irrefutable evidence which will boomerang back on him. Mar4d (talk) 04:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, yeah... I forgot what I was doing because of him, lol. Not to mention I'm handling another IP sock at the moment. --lTopGunl (talk) 10:46, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Copy of deleted article

I see that you deleted the article Journal of Pakistan Medical Students. Is it possible if I can have access to the deleted content of the article for personal use? Mar4d (talk) 02:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

(Copying the above from my talk page) I've pasted a copy to http://pastebin.com/MpPZebYX. It will expire in a day, because of copyright/attribution issues.  Sandstein  08:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Mar4d (talk) 08:08, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Pakistan studies RFC

Can you list the RFC at some neutral WP:MOS related active noticeboard? I've not been much active on project notice boards until recently myself, so don't have much idea. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't go much on noticeboards or RfC's so I don't quite have an idea as to where it could be listed. I'll try my best to look for a place though. However, isn't it just better to be bold and carry out the move? I've already given my reasons, so have you, and we've also got an admin who shares a similiar opinion. The opposing users have not made any effort to clarify their points further even after so many days, apart from pretty much repeating the same points. This is a failure and lack of willingness on their part. It is also clear that some of them have a WP:Conflict of interest there. Mar4d (talk) 13:05, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I know, that is exactly the case and that's why I involved an admin and called an RFC, there was no point from the start otherwise except WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Anyway, JCAla (who was not even related to the discussion) reported me for removing the content on the pretext of editwarring and I said (which got the page protected only), I'll make an edit now after a consensus. They'll just WP:NINJA revert if I move that (actually remove, since it's already there in that article). This needs to be closed with a template for them to stay off. Ok, I'll do some searches then. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

On a side note, if you really want a valuable third-party opinion, one person who I would really recommend for you to contact is User:Fowler&fowler. He's one of the most knowledgeable editors on South Asia-related topics who's contributed to heaps of Indian and Pakistani history/academic-related articles; I've often asked him to give his viewpoints in disputed content. I'm sure that (if he is willing to participate) he will provide a very neutral, balanced and logical judgement on the issue, either for or against and steer this otherwise dead discussion to some direction. Mar4d (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

That might be really helpful but inviting single users previously not involved who will (obviously) give a reasonable answer to the supporting side will be misrepresented by the opposing editors (since you know their ways) as canvassing. I'll find a noticeboard or wait for RFC comments. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about the tb templates, I'm watching your page and get an SMS (lol, yes a bit wikiholic) for the watchlist changes (RSS feed of watchlist to facebook (via RSS-to-email) to SMS (via fb msgs)), haha. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:30, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler is a trusted editor who's significantly contributed to making India an FA article. He's got a background in South Asian articles due to his intellectual knowledge and expertise of the area. It wouldn't make sense if anyone calls asking for his opinion as "canvassing". Just a subtle suggestion on my part :) Mar4d (talk) 13:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that, but if you follow Talk:Taliban and Talk:Indophobia in detail, you'll know they don't listen. It can be waited out I guess. All they need is a few sensible editors opposing them and a closure. Let's see, Thanks. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:45, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Btw, there's been some fun at Kiftaan's talkpage and I've requested protection. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't waste too much time there unless you want to hear stories like racist admins / day of jugement and I have over 1,000 g/fs on MySpace and on Facebook. Mar4d (talk) 14:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol. That's why I said 'fun'. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Nuclear weapons

I think the statement is now a bit ambiguous as compared to the previous one since Turkey shares NATO small scale weaponry. So, first Muslim-majority to posses nuclear weapons and first nuclear weapon state in Muslim world would be more descriptive. I could be wrong. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:09, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, this was the previous statement:

Pakistan has the eighth largest standing armed force and is the only Muslim-majority nation to possess nuclear weapons also being the first nuclear power country in the Muslim world

• New version:

Pakistan has the eighth largest standing army internationally and is a recognised nuclear weapons state, being the first and only nation to have that status in the Muslim world

Which part sounds different? Mar4d (talk) 16:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Possession of nuclear weapons has been removed, which brings in Turkey as a NATO member to atleast posses some small scale. Since you've mentioned them together, I saw another problem, it's not the 8th largest standing army, it's the 8th largest standing armed force (including Navy and Airforce). Would be a good idea to move this section to Talk:Pakistan? --lTopGunl (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

See the talk page. Mar4d (talk) 16:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, replying there. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Categories and templates

• There seems to be a naked template at Pakistan "Template:Navbox", or is that normal?
• The category "Muhajir people" for Muhammad Ali Jinnah might be confusing as he lived in Karachi long before partition.

--lTopGunl (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the category. As for the template, I noticed that long ago. Apparently, the last few templates related to "languages" are not being displayed for some odd reason. I'm a bit puzzled and don't quite understand why the templates aren't being shown. Mar4d (talk) 12:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I tried to fix the template once, but ended up self reverting in the end. You are more into templates and categories than I am, so messaged you... it might be objected in FAC... the source seems to be correct, still this displays. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Aah, I think I figured out the problem. Just give me a few minutes to try and fix it. Will tell you later. Mar4d (talk) 12:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

It seems that the article cannot tolerate too many templates at the bottom as it overloads, and some templates don't end up displaying, thus resulting in the naked link you were talking about. I've sort of trimmed it down by removing two unnecessary templates: Template:Major non-NATO ally and Template:World Trade Organization since both these don't wikilink to the Pakistan article anyway but rather Military of Pakistan and Economy of Pakistan. All the rest templates are being displayed correctly now. Mar4d (talk) 14:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Great. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

December 2011

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Interesting

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Lol. It's an April Fool's Day joke :p Mar4d (talk) 02:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, lol - was going through the "humor" category. The ones I mentioned here were the best oppose points. --lTopGunl (talk) 02:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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While you added your comments on your own probably via your watchlist, an administrator has hinted you to be a meat puppet... although that is technically not possible since you are an established user and not called by me to join Wikipedia for any purpose - the other possible assumption of canvassing has no evidence too. Thought of notifying you if you lost track of that IP discussion at ANI. --lTopGunl (ping) 23:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I gave my view of things at the expense of my own time and just wanted to raise the recent content removal on Pakistan's role in the War on Terror as well as the article Anti-Pakistan sentiment, where the correction action should have been to reword the disputed sentence or at least take it to the talk page to reach an agreement (as Bbb23 did). Darkness Shines didn't do any of that but instead chose to go down the path of removing the sentence completely along with the source, and didn't give any clear rationale either - thus my judgement of it being as a contentious edit. In any case, the issue seems to have been closed so there's no point of replying there. Mar4d (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Yeah, it's closed now. What the immediatists don't understand is vandalism is something like "ljflsjdfljsdlj" entered into the article which was not the case on these articles. I'll continue to keep those on my watch list too.. since every time a page blanker comes by, some one more experienced chooses to be an immidiatist and encourage the blanking vandal, who wouldn't even give a reason, to editwar. --lTopGunl (ping) 02:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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Malware

One of the references you added to Javeria Abbasi just tried to install malware on my rig. It was the Mag4U one, please remove it. Darkness Shines (talk) 06:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Huh.... malware? Are you sure? That website has a lot of interviews with notable personalities as Google shows and complies with WP:RS. I doubt it has malware but I'll check it again and remove it if something's fishy. Mar4d (talk) 06:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Running a scan, will let you know, may be a false positive. Darkness Shines (talk) 06:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Image for Rawalpindi (Template:Largest cities of Pakistan)

Hello! If you have visited Islamabad you may also have visited Daman-e-Koh. This picture is actually taken from Daman-e-Koh of 7th Avenue of Islamabad and this road is in no way in Rawalpindi or leads to Rawalpindi. Neither is it named Islamabad-Rawalpindi freeway. A simple google image search of 7th Avenue Islamabad will result in scores of image similar to this. And if you see this on google maps, this road is just beneath Daman-e-Koh and is in between sector F-7 & F-6 and G-7 & G-6. And if you see Map of Islamabad you will identify this road yourself and also its vicinity to Rawalpindi. I hope this is enough to convince you about my stand on that image. --SMS ^Talk 20:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indians in Afghanistan

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indians in Afghanistan. Informing you as you created the page. Inform any other editors who you know are major contributors to the page (or it's previous deleted versions) I don't find any though... seems like this page was deleted and restored at your request. --lTopGunl (talk) 23:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)