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Adding quote by Chinese general Ma Xiaotian

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In a meeting with US officials about this event, Chinese general Ma Xiaotian sarcastically remarked "Were you using the wrong maps again?", referring to the 1999 US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, which the US blamed on faulty maps, but which China has always suspected was deliberate.

This telling remark was made in an official meeting, and the incident was directly compared to one of the most sensitive events in US-China relations (US bombing of Chinese embassy in Belgrade), as the sources seem to agree. It is a data point that indicates how China saw the event and relations with the US/NATO. Observers have commented on this remark, calling it "jibbing" and "priceless". I suggest we include it on this page.

Sources:
https://jamestown.org/program/china-and-nato-grappling-with-beijings-hopes-and-fears/

https://web.archive.org/web/20121117053251/http://blog.gmfus.org/2012/05/23/seizing-opportunities-with-a-less-reserved-beijing/
(by Andrew Small, author of the definitive book on China-Pakistan relations)

http://indiaschinablog.blogspot.com/2012/07/quote-of-day-mapping-lie.html

We should include this remark on this page, as it adds to the readers' understanding of how China viewed the event.

Honoredebalzac345 (talk) 17:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Honoredebalzac345: As I noted at Talk:Ma Xiaotian, the quote, as you introduced it in this article, does not really provide any useful insight. There is an argument to be made that the quote is useful here, with the proper discussion of its deeper meaning relative to the rancor held by many Chinese officials over the 1999 Belgrade action, but merely reporting the quote with obersvations about its "cutting" or "jibing" nature does not provide the proper context for the information. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added relevant changes as per consensus reached on Talk:Ma Xiaotian. I'm a little reluctant to add any more analysis or context thats not attributable, since that would be OR or SYNTH. Honoredebalzac345 (talk) 09:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Regarding your recent edit, those words are not "editorializing", they're literally used in the cited sources! I just thought they would serve to highlight the sarcastic nature of the remark. (And yes, I know "jibing" its a gerund form, but I thought it would be OK since we're quoting it ;-), and its a description of the (act of) making the remark.) Honoredebalzac345 (talk) 13:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, but I choose not to argue the point any further. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well let's leave it as it is then for now. Its anyway a minor issue whether those actual words from the sources are used. Honoredebalzac345 (talk) 07:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This page is supposed to be protected as IP address Indians keep on changing the results or delete it. They don't like how Pakistani win these kind of battles, as well as for jealousy they deleted Capture of North Rajasthan(Pakistani Victory). 2407:D000:1A:3218:95AC:5B89:8A92:BA42 (talk) 07:54, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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