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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
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Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
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November 6

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November 6, 2024 (2024-11-06) (Wednesday)

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Law and crime

Politics and elections

November 5

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November 5, 2024 (2024-11-05) (Tuesday)

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Science and technology

RD: Taoreed Lagbaja

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Article: Taoreed Lagbaja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died while serving as Nigeria's army chief. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kazuo Umezu

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Article: Kazuo Umezu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Manga artist who influenced Junji Ito passed away a week ago at age 88. SimonLagann (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Was coming to nominate this, but will add while his death was on Oct 28, like many Japanese ppl, the death was only announced today, giving time for privacy and mourning by family and friends. --Masem (t) 04:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support if his works count as their own citations. If they do not count, then this is an oppose vote. Bremps... 05:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Asot Michael

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Article: Asot Michael (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, homicide victim, serving Antiguan MP. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sharda Sinha

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Article: Sharda Sinha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sammy Basso

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Nominator close: Have confused months here, apologies. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sammy Basso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Biologist, one of the longest-living progeria sufferers and advocate for and researcher into the disease. Article is in good shape, I added the infobox. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2024 United States presidential election

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Article: 2024 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Donald Trump is elected President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
News source(s): New York Times USA Today CNN The Hill
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Nominator's comments: This is a defining event for politics and is obviously newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that this is premature, but don't see a need to close, as results will be announced in the next 36 hours. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Until results have been officially projected. Also, should we post the results of the Senate/House races too? Also the article is tagged. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Until the results have been officially confirmed, which may take days, we're not posting this. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 1:07, 5 November 2024
  • Oppose as very premature. Have you ever seen ITN post a blurb like any of these proposals? Ask yourself why not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing A blurb is likely to be posted sometime soon so we should start discussion so that we're ready. For example, is the article quality and structure satisfactory or are there specific issues requiring attention? As many readers will already be looking for the article (over half a million yesterday), a link in Ongoing would be helpful.
Note that the article is already huge with over 10,000 words of prose and over 500 citations. Our focus should be on the lead and infobox as the main summaries. They could use a timetable with key dates for the polling and results as it currently just says that the inauguration is next year. Someone above says that we get the results in 36 hours. Is that right?
Note also that On this Day has Election Day (United States) as its lead item today.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb as written, post when there are results ITN should not have premature posts. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold till we have projected results. Certain to be ITN/R as it will result in a change of head of state regardless of who wins This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now Multiple sources[1][2][3] have called the race for Trump. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC) MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Maybe we should mention Trump winning the popular vote, a feat the Republicans haven't achieved since 2004 and definitely a notable factor as it means a majority of Americans have voted for Trump rather than just members of the electoral college. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A Russian IP being pro-Trump? How surprising *rolls eyes* AusLondonder (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: AP just called Pennsylvania. Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if my calculations are correct when Alaska gets called he'll have the necessary votes. And Alaska's not a battleground state so.... 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment should we mention the senate and congress races too in the blurb? NYtimes has "called" senate for the republicans arleady 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pretty clear winner by now, like it or not. Hungry403 (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Most conservative (not in the right-wing sense) projections have placed Trump 3-4 votes away from securing a re-election. Harris would need to win every uncalled state despite most of them projecting a Trump victory (and includes Alaska which hasn't voted for a Democrat in 60 years). I'd rather take our chances with a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment at this point. PolarManne (talk) 07:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all reliable sources have called PA and GA. It's only a formality before they call Alaska - which would give Trump a win. I expect the call will go out before this ITN is posted. Juxlos (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for RSes to call 270. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support very clear that Trump win Tensa Februari (talk) 08:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Respected world leaders such as Volodymyr Zelenskyy have already congratulated Trump on his victory. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 08:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moral support – The 2024 United States presidential election article hasn't been updated to project a Trump win due to the RfC discussion requiring unanimous projections from an assortment of sources, which other than AP are arguably arbitrarily limited to traditional television news networks. ITN is not going to say anything which the article does not say, so we would have to follow the RfC consensus. But I trust Decision Desk HQ, and they have called the race for Trump, so it's a matter of time before the sources we require for race calls call the race for Trump. Here's to another 4 years of chaos, I'm afraid. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the standard for the article. This is in the news. And the headline on BBC is that "Donald Trump declares victory". Maybe that should be our headline too. Nfitz (talk) Nfitz (talk) 09:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for similar reasons outlined by feminist🩸 above - the article has not been updated to show who the winner is. For everyone above who has voted support - have you actually read the article before voicing your support? Chrisclear (talk) 08:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a little difficult to update when the article is fully protected. — hako9 (talk) 09:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean, I get it, but it's not like we've never posted an election without full results in the article, and with how things get "called", technically an official result isn't coming until after the calls. DarkSide830 (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, an official result doesn't come until January 6th. We shouldn't wait until then either. Nfitz (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work Revisiting this now we're allowed to discuss it again, I just read through the current lead of the nominated article. This mainly covers Biden and Trump but has very little about Harris and doesn't even mention third party candidates like Kennedy. It should have more about the campaign events like the debates and polling swings and more about the actual voting results. The general history of Biden and Trump and their flaws is less directly relevant and needs trimming to make space for better election coverage.
But now I see that this work isn't going to get done in a timely fashion because the article is fully protected and so editing will slow to a crawl. This seems to be a major quality issue. ITN is supposed to "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource" and this locking shows it to be otherwise.
I was wondering whether Donald Trump might be the bold article in the blurb, to work around the locking. But that article needs work too. Its lead only seems to have one sentence about this election campaign and its result and so badly needs updating too.
Andrew🐉(talk) 09:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

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November 4, 2024 (2024-11-04) (Monday)

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RD: Bernard Marcus

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Article: Bernard Marcus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Home Depot. I am posting this based on what CNN is saying but the day of the death may be off as its based on a company memo. Article has about a half dozen unsourced statements that need to be fixed. Masem (t) 13:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support because his company, Home Depot, is very notable and he was a Republican megadonor. The article could use some extra sources, but it merits RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JohnAdams1800: Notability is not a criterion for RD: Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 18:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Death date reliably sourced now.—Bagumba (talk) 06:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Murray Sinclair

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Article: Murray Sinclair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indigenous Canadian judge, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Comission. Article has some unreferenced statements, but is mostly good. Blurb might be warranted but I doubt he is a recognizable figure outside of Canada. -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Sinclair was a very notable individual for his work and life in an often under-reported and lesser known part of Canadian society: Indigenous issues, both contemporary and historical. For the very reason that his name is not familiar to many, but is lauded by many organizations in his passing with statements, is exactly why it’s fitting for his passing to be nominated for ITN. That being said, the article had some issues at the beginning but with some TLC by a few contributors it's getting better cited claims and structure. —f3ndot (TALK) (EMAIL) 13:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Uttarakhand bus accident

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Article: 2024 Almora bus accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tragic bus accident in Uttarakhand, India leaves 36 dead and 27 injured (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 36 killed as bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India
Alternative blurb II: ​ A bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India, leaving 36 people dead and 27 people injured.
News source(s): The hindu Indianexpress Business today
Credits:

Article needs updating

 Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In what conceivable way does calling this an accident breach NPOV? GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the point being made (not that I necessarily agree) is that it asserts, without evidence, that it was not a driver suicide, sabotage, etc. Bremps... 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Accident implies that there was no precipitating human factor or fault resulting in the crash which is not for us to determine. Crash is simply the more accurate terminology and does not prematurely absolve anyone of fault. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I see your point. However, RS such as the BBC are using 'accident'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Dreameditsbrooklyn's notion. I accept, however, that the use of "accident" is so common and engrained that it's hard to argue this point. Schwede66 03:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/blurb: Quincy Jones

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Article: Quincy Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American record producer and composer Quincy Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 91 (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American music producer, among other roles. Article needs a bit of work but not far off. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 3

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November 3, 2024 (2024-11-03) (Sunday)

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Sports

(Posted) 2024 Moldovan presidential election

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Article: 2024 Moldovan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova, defeating Alexandr Stoianoglo in the runoff.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Not much to be said except that it's a significant election. BastianMAT (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Obviously a major story, and ITNR. As an aside, the BBC needs to get a less compromised Chisinau correspondent; they're still reporting Stoianoglo is ahead while other sources are saying Sandu has won; they did the equivalent with the referendum too. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They've flipped now. But still, if I had a nickel for every time this year the BBC wrongly called a Moldovan national poll for the pro-Russian choice, I'd have at least two nickels. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support thus concludes the story of these elections and referendum, that international media have presented as a choice between the West and Russia (hence the relevance of this result). Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Japan Series

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Article: 2024 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. (Post)
News source(s): NHK
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I can't comment on quality as I am not versed in baseball, but this is ITN/R and a concluded event. I will say this is more likely to be posted than many of the other stories that have appeared on ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. You're excellent for everyone. Kboybaseball1994 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Monkey business

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Consensus to post will not develop. The Kip (contribs) 16:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Infinite monkey theorem (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The expected life of the universe has been shown to be insufficient time for monkeys to produce the works of Shakespeare (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Franklin Open, New Scientist, The Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is peer-reviewed science and is getting good mainstream coverage. The conclusion was already well covered by our article and our advanced primates are already on the job of expanding it. It's interesting to find that actual experiments have been done and that one trouble seems to be that the results are not random -- one result was a systemic bias to the letter S, which limits the possibilities. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This isn't a new discovery; it's a confirmation of something already well-known. Our own article Orders of magnitude (numbers) has the probability that a monkey will type the works of Shakespeare starting at any given input as the very smallest number it mentions, at approximately 10−183,800. The reciprocal of that number is unimaginably greater than the age of the universe measured in Planck time units. The infinite monkey theorem was formulated to illustrate a point about infinity, so it shouldn't be a surprise that even very large finite quantities encountered in reality are insufficient. This is largely an exercise in the innumeracy of science journalists. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose per above. Anyone could have calculated this, myself included, given enough time (or not, given the results of this calculation). It isn't a new element of math which we'll reference for years to come, it's just putting to bed an old figure of speech. Sensationalism at its finest. Departure– (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Fun story, but as others said I feel like this thought experiment has already been explored, there wouldn't be enough time before thermodynamic stasis in the universe for a monkey to randomly type out Shakespeare. Some interesting conclusions but this is more for DYK than ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per GenevieveDEon. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does. (There's also a degree of subtlety in the original theorem, around the term almost certain, which is of interest.) This research is basically saying that it really does have to be infinite, or at least completely out of scale with the entire known universe, for the result to apply. But as I noted in my original !vote, we knew that, and already had it documented here on Wikipedia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 2

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November 2, 2024 (2024-11-02) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: Paul Stephenson

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Article: Paul Stephenson (civil rights campaigner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British community worker and civil rights activist. Article is GA. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dub Jones

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Article: Dub Jones (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], Cleveland Browns
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player whose article is a GA. Source isn't the strongest right now but more should arrive in the next couple hours. Wizardman 17:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

European floods

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Article: 2024 European floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Could slowly become one of the worst natural disaster in recent European history, if not already. --Roncanada (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose This is a string of unrelated weather events, though reasonable to cover as a single article, but it is not like this is one long flood that is affecting more and more people daily. We posted the Spain floods, but there's no indication that system is continuing to create floods elshewer. --Masem (t) 16:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem and the fact that the majority of the floods happened weeks apart 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per above. The European floods are only related insofar as they are all a result of climate change; they are not a singular ongoing event receiving frequent updates. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak

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Article: Kemi Badenoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak as the leader of the Conservative Party. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Pretty notable shift in British politics. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support New head of government. I'd argue this is ITN/R. Forgot Starmer was head of government now. Oppose for now, we didn't post Starmer coming to power before Labour's majority that made him PM (April 2020, didn't even get nominated), even when he was head of opposition, so I'd argue that when the same happens to the Conservative party it isn't any more notable. Departure– (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting that it wasn't nominated at all. I reckon this is a large change nonetheless though, and notable enough to be ITN. It feels like ITN sometimes misses some pretty important nominations. Would've been great if it was nominated back then so we could've gotten opinions on headlines like this, but I'm nominating it to see what the people here at ITN think. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a more recent opinion, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2023#January 3 had the 2022 US midterms concluding with Hakeem Jeffries becoming House minority leader, again a change of leadership of the second largest party in one of the world's most important institutions. That itself was not nominated (only the election as a whole was), and despite Jeffries being the first African American US house party leader (comparable to Badenoch being the first Black woman leader of a major UK party), Jeffries is only mentioned in a single reply in that entire thread. A new minority leader in a democracy, failing being a very major first larger than what Jeffries and Badenoch are, isn't an item for ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this case though, I don't think the comparison is that equal. To be the minority leader of the House of Representatives isn't the equivalent of being the party leader or the candidate for president (or prime minister if you will). A more appropriate comparison would be if Kamala Harris was replaced with another candidate instead. Do you not think that would be appropriate for ITN in that case? TwistedAxe [contact] 15:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was an ITN discussion when Kamala replaced Biden for the presidential nominee back in August and that went nowhere. Only Biden's withdrawl was posted, and that was notable because he had secured enough delegates to be the next nominee. The differences between the US and UK political systems make this a tough comparison. Departure– (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the withdrawal was posted because it was a notable event, yes, but also because it was kind of obvious and covered his replacement by Harris. It would be redundant to post 2 separate ITN noms that more or less cover the same subject. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In a democratic system, the leader of the opposition is an important post. A major change in British politics. Grimes2 (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose How many party leaders have the conservative party had for the last several years? But seriously, if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system. It doesn't make sense to me. Yakikaki (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why does it matter if the Conservative party has had alot of party leaders the past few years? And to answer the second statement, do you really not think the UK is a major democratic nation? I'd argue as a non-Brit myself that the UK exerts a massive amount of influence over other countries in the region and globally. Obviously the leadership of a country like that will also affect other countries? TwistedAxe [contact] 16:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you misunderstand Yakikaki's comment. They are not saying that the UK is not democratic. if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system means that they do not want to make a precedent to have an ITN entry for party leader changes for any country that has a "democratic" governmental system (this could in theory refer to any country that has elections, whether rigged or fair). Natg 19 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Speaking from the UK this is a major political development, but not enough for international news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This seems like a very one country specific story. I'm not aware of any precedent for posting non-government political party leadership changes. Quite a few people here even opposed posting a change in head of government of France. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another one of those stories we would never nominate if it hadn't happened in an English-speaking country. We could find equal coverage in those countries when Spain, Germany, Italy etc. elect a new opposition leader, just it would be niche news in the Anglosphere. Curiously, I looked up whether Jeremy Corbyn was nominated in 2015 (a much bigger internal ideological shift) and it was just as opposed for the same reason. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is not a change of head of state or government, or involving an incumbent. This is just an internal party leadership change.
JohnAdams1800 (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Janey Godley

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Article: Janey Godley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I have never nominated anything here before so forgive me if I'm missing something. I've given this a fairly robust copyedit - what else does this need? Launchballer 13:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cassius

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Article: Cassius (crocodile) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - A squirrel and a crocodile, wonder what's next PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now, there's more information on the crocodile's last months that's out there that should be added to the article first. Departure– (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 1

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November 1, 2024 (2024-11-01) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • The People's Republic of China revises its regulations for foreign investors in its listed companies, seeking to attract more such investment by expanding eligibility criteria and easing financial requirements. (CNBC)

Disasters and Accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Alastair Down (journalist)

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Article: Alastair Down (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English horse racing journalist. Thriley (talk) 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peanut the squirrel

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Article: Peanut (squirrel) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 09:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose the article does not demonstrate the subject's notability. Regardless of whether or not the ITN rule of "all RDs are notable" is in effect I'd still oppose on quality; demonstrating notability is a pretty big part of the 'quality' in posted RD articles that we do have a say in. This village pump discussion stated that social media followers aren't used to justify notability alone, and beyond that the squirrel's only claim to fame is being euthanized which is by no means unusual. If and when the article gets more significant coverage, let me know and I'll change my vote, but this article was created just now and the headlines might have some sensationalism in their motives. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a national tragedy. Scuba 02:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously??? Masem (t) 02:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Why is it always the gamers and anime nerds who want to censor things here? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not censorship to say that the death of two small animals is not a national tragedy. It's a plain statement of fact. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the deaths are not the crux of the story. The government signing a search warrant to raid the homes of people with a non rabid squirrel to kill it based off one random internet complaint is the story. How do all of you super editors not get that? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then as Launchballer suggests, this doesn't belong in a biography of the squirrel (or the raccoon), but in New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Do you redirect murder victim pages to the murders biography? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for the reviewing admin: The page is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut (squirrel) on notability grounds, and arguments are split roughly between "keep / significant reliable source coverage" and "delete / sensationalist and otherwise not notable". Consensus is not overwhelming towards one side or the other at the moment. Departure– (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we looking at the same AfD? It should be closed per Snow, as there is no chance of deletion with the sources which have been added. You opened it after saying above "Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD.", so the argument could easily be made that you opened the AfD mainly to keep the topic away from RD, which is why a snow close would at least bring the topic back here for a timely decision and not stop it via the AfD route. But, importantly, you also said that if you saw more significant coverage you would change your vote, and much coverage has been added since, so, who knows? Randy Kryn (talk) 03:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did start the AfD to keep it from RD, I will admit that here. I wouldn't have started the AfD had I not, in good faith, believed the subject was not notable enough for a Wikipedia article, with reasons and policy to back it up. Many of the votes were all keep but they all ignored that the main point was against sensationalism which a few others, including Masem, an administrator, have supported. "Significant coverage" in my eyes means that the coverage clearly demonstrates why the subject is notable, which I have yet to see. What I do see is a lot of articles stating the same, non-notable facts again. Also, this reply appears to me to be moreso an attempt at catching me in a fallacy than it is proving the point that the RD should be posted, and I'd advise against that. Comment on content, not contributors. Departure– (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no "catching" involved, just hoping the AfD closes soon so that this discussion has at least a chance at passing or failing without the roadblock (does that happen often here?, the AfD-defense). The only fallacy would be if you come to the point of seeing enough significant coverage and didn't change your vote. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD any "person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post", the article, while nominated for deletion, will obviously be kept based on the existing consensus. Article is good quality and this is a relatively high-profiles scandal. Neutral on blurb at this point, but probably would've supported one had it been proposed closer to the event. –DMartin 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please take unrelated political discussion to the couvent de l'Annonciation. DatGuyTalkContribs
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I am perplexed by the political slant of a lot of the drive-by commentary on this case. See also: [2]. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A government agnecy went to a private citizens house, seized his pets and killed them because of a complaint to a government agency from a person who doesn't even live there and you're confused as to why people are upset about government overstepping?
Are you being serious? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm serious that 'overthrow the government' is ridiculously hyperbolic in a case of overreach by a local animal control agency. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a state agency and again, it was a trained house pet. Are you even American? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does another editor being American or not matter? Comment on content, not contributors, please! Departure– (talk) 14:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because american government oversight is why the story is notable. So yes, an editor not being american or living in america would struggle to understand why americans are so up in arms about this. It is not about the squirrel, it is about what the squirrel represents. How do you continue to not understand this? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The argument needs to be made in sufficiently objective terms that a non-American can understand it. We never restrict participation in these debates on the basis of the location or nationality of the participants, and we're not about to start for the sake of a squirrel. Other places have governments, people in other countries have pets, and other nations' and regions' government agencies have, and abuse, all kinds of powers including with regard to pets and livestock. I am fully capable of considering those situations in places other than my own. There's nothing magical about America; it just happens to be where this case occurred. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that was the case, why are there articles about animals like Harambe, only made famous by their death at the hands of the government?
You will never be able to justify deleting entries that users of Wikipedia want. You should learn what the word editor means because it doesn't mean gatekeeper. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not American; but I am British, and my instinct outside the US context is to use 'state' to mean 'nationally-run', which is the usual sense here in the UK. I was using 'local' as a contrast to 'national' or 'federal'. And none of that has any bearing on the fact that the political rhetoric here and elsewhere about this case is absurdly hyperbolic. Let's see people get this worked up about, say, maternal mortality in the US. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure family values are a main talking point in the US right now. Again, if you lived in the USA, you'd know this. I have a feeling the reason you want this deleted is much more political than you will admit. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please play the ball and not the man. Your feelings about my motives are irrelevant. The article itself doesn't say anything about the political overtones of the case. In fact, if a reliable source can be found which adds that detail to the article, I think it would go a lot further to demonstrating notability. If that were done, then this entire discussion would be moot, because it would meet the RD criteria automatically. But I'm also not sure what squirrels and raccoons have to do with family values. That seems to be somewhat out of left field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think dehumanisation is particularly at stake in a case where the only casualties are a squirrel and a raccoon. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your opinion here sucks and shows a clear lack of empathy and compassion. I hope the government kills your dog. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't hope that, I'm just using it to illustrate a point (in a couple different ways). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am perplexed at your vehemence, as well as your position. 'It sucks' is no more a rebuttal than 'I wish harm on you or your pets'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've already explained that I don't wish any harm upon your beloved fur babies, so I'm sorry you feel that way. My intention was to invoke the humanizing aspect of this story. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No blurb is proposed in the nomination (and comments about a blurb just show the depth of commitment that this death is worth an RD), and what does 'located anywhere else' pertain to? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support This is one of the largest news events for the past couple of days, and has significant implications regarding government overreach, misallocation of government resources, and animal rights. --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This just isn't true. The Spanish floods (and the subsequent heckling of the King), the Novi Sad roof collapse, and the Tory party leadership result (correctly rejected above), are all much bigger stories. This is a flash in the pan. This is someone's fifteen minutes of fame, no more and no less, and we're not obliged to participate in that circus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
none of those things reached north American news cycles. By your own metrics, that means they aren't relevant. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be claiming that by my standards, the death of a squirrel in New York is more important than the death of over a dozen people in Serbia. I can assure you that's not what I meant. You seem to be new here - as do several other participants in this discussion - so I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's standards before you make absurd assertions about relevance. (The Spanish story is near the top of the CNN homepage right now, so your claim about US news cycles is also plainly false.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@64.229.210.77: Your comment that the major Spanish floods did not reach the "north American news cycles" is a complete fabrication and does not reflect well on your arguments nor your news consumption. AusLondonder (talk) 03:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Shouldn't even be an article, pure WP:NOTNEWS. Anyone who has posted that this is a major worldwide news story needs to have a serious word with themselves. Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe you should brush up on RD, deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Peanut is an animal, with an article that died recently, therefore is important enough to post an RD. Scuba 16:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion." Peanut's article is currently nominated for deletion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for informing someone who has been here 17 years and is a regular on this page what the rule says. I'm pointing out that I don't believe there should be an article, though it appears that most of the people at the AfD appear to believe that a few news stories are equivalent to notability... Black Kite (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was created yesterday, so we are at a stage that we have to evaluate its notability. We've had this problem a few times before where a human being, not yet shown notable, only got coverage due to a accidental death (like getting into a drunk driving accident). --Masem (t) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD - No idea why people are starting deletion discussions in ITN. Also the story around this poor squirrel's death is causing significant media coverage, so this article absolutely deserves to stay. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reminder to everyone this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination. Any arguments that you would normally make for or against posting as a blurb are irrelevant. See WP:ITNRD. And no, the subject does not need to be human. The only requirements are that the subject has a Wikipedia page, and that the Wikipedia page is not in a miserable state. Disappointed that one of the oppose !voters admittedly only nominated the article for deletion to obstruct this RD nomination on the technicality that it cannot be posted to RD if it is currently nominated for deletion.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the article was created the same day as the nomination, so its notability can be fully raised as an issue. It implies something along the lines of WP:BLP1E, which is not a reason for creation of a article, in addition to failing to show enduring coverage as required by WP:N and NEVENT. Masem (t) 21:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The government is a mindless and heartless killing machine... It's possible, Deputy Dawg, it's possible" - Musky Muskrat. Ah, the price of Wiki fame... created today, cremated tomorrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD We have posted other animals of similar significance and stature before, I think we posted an RD for a duck or something like that a while ago if I'm not mistaken. The story of how the squirrel was taken away is also pretty tragic. This should 100% be posted to RD, but shouldn't get a blurb. Hungry403 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nature or circumstances of death are not usually relevant. Provided the article is good enough, it's an RD like any other. I'm not sure if any animal has ever been given a blurb.... "outstanding in his field"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the death of Knut (polar bear) was blurbed. Also the first hatching of wild white storks in the UK in 600 years was blurbed as a significant birth (as opposed to the usual deaths). It seems likely that there have been other animal blurbs as we have several horse races in ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for telling me. I must have missed that one 13 years ago. So maybe not a one-horse race after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly demonstrating the great seriousness of the issues he's addressing in the final days of the campaign. I'm very keen to see some analysis as to why this case is such a cause celebre for the American right in particular. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prior to Trump's actual statement on the subject, there was a report of another statement falsely attributed to him. This found its way into the article (twice) and at the time of my earlier comment was a substantial part of the article text. That was the hoax I was referring to. The article has now greatly improved. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. First it's the squirrels... next it'll be the cows. Just wait and see! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where do I get the milk for my coffee, if all cows are euthanized? Grimes2 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"South of the Border", naturally. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rohit Bal

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Article: Rohit Bal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, India Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian fashion designer. 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse

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Article: Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Serbia, a canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people and injures three others. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo - CNN - BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A structural collapse at the Novi Sad railway station has led to 17 casualties. Article is a bit stubby. — Knightoftheswords 04:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on significance. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Mayan city discovered

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Article: Valeriana (Maya city) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ancient Maya city of Valeriana, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche, and is called Valeriana.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, dubbed Valeriana, is discovered in Campeche.
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major archaeological discovery - second-largest Mayan city in the Yucatan, after Calakmul. Discovery was only announced this week. Khuft (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note for the reviewing admin: The city was not known as Valeriana while it was inhabited: from the article Valeriana (Maya city): Valeriana is the name given to the ruins of an ancient Maya city in the Mexican state of Campeche... / ...the site was named after an adjacent freshwater lagoon of the same name. Cheers! Departure– (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its the current working name until the site can be more thoroughly investigated. Until the more proper name is learned and published, it is completley appropriate to use Valeriana as the name. — Masem (t) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just feel it's an important distinction to make. The site is Valeriana, and it contains a large city of an unknown name, that has informally become known as Valeriana. I'd just prefer if the blurb didn't imply that it was always called that (specifically the original blurb). Departure– (talk) 15:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Botswanan general election

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Article: 2024 Botswana general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Umbrella for Democratic Change, led by Duma Boko, wins the most seats in the National Assembly in the 2024 Botswana general election, defeating the Botswana Democratic Party for the first time in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 Botswana general election, the UDC, led by Duma Boko, wins the a majority in the National Assembly, the first change in government in Botswana's history.
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: First change in government in the 58 years of Africa's most successful liberal democracy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per previous.
-insert valid name here- (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Besides the historic significance of the result the article is well sourced.
Aficionado538 (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been fixed / updated by Stephen. Natg 19 (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bibek Debroy

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Article: Bibek Debroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chairman Of India PM's Economic Advisory Council. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 31

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October 31, 2024 (2024-10-31) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Greg Hildebrandt

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Article: Brothers Hildebrandt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: With his brother, an major illustrator that did a bunch of famous movie posters (like the original Star Wars one). Note that he and his brother share a page for their bios which makes sense, they had near equivalent careers. Masem (t) 21:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I think this is pretty close. While only 1 CN tag, this is for the paragraph that lists a large proportion of his works, so feel like this would benefit from a reference prior to posting. SpencerT•C 04:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Trevor Whymark

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Article: Trevor Whymark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Ipswich Town striker. 240F:7A:6253:1:C23:A486:F543:2076 (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Davin-Power

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Article: David Davin-Power (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A little short but well referenced. Needs information about death. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Masud Ali Khan

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Article: Masud Ali Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Star
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Works unreferenced and two citation tags need adressing, otherwise looks fine. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 30

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October 30, 2024 (2024-10-30) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Matt Peacock

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Article: Matt Peacock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks good. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 World Series

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Article: 2024 World Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Los Angeles Dodgers defeat the New York Yankees to win the World Series (MVP Freddie Freeman pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tahar Zbiri

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Article: Tahar Zbiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Algerie
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article looks good. Updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Gang war in Haiti

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 02:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Gang war in Haiti (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "This is effectively a civil war". Article needs updating with the 2024 Pont-Sondé attack and the recent attacks in Port-au-Prince. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While yes, this is ongoing, the problem is that the article is seeing very little updates and, as the nominator points out, the recent major developments are not covered yet. Articles in ongoing need to be constantly updated. Tone 09:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose based on lack of media coverage. –DMartin 07:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Indian bomb hoaxes

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Nothing more has happened since this was nominated and as such, it has now gone stale. Schwede66 23:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 100 flights across Indian airlines received bomb threats on Tuesday, adding to over 510 hoax threats in 16 days, mostly via social media (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes, 510+ hoax threats in 16 days
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 500 hoax bomb threats target Indian airlines.
News source(s): CNN The Guardian BBC NBC NewsAl Jazeera Times of india
Credits:

Article needs updating
 Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This may be better for ongoing. I'll make an altblurb here, though. Departure– (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yeah, seeing as this is since April, I strongly suggest this goes into ongoing instead of getting a blurb. Altblurb 2 proposed. Departure– (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, ongoing is for stories where there is near daily news updates, not simply because an event has has a long tail. The dates on the target page suggest there were only a few bursts of activity related to these threats and thus fails the idea of near daily coverage. — Masem (t) 14:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is definitely worth getting a blurb at least. Manumaker08 (talk) 17:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The incidents seem too disparate and include routine vandalism that we see all the time on Wikipedia. We need some long-term statistics and analysis to understand how this compares with the usual background noise. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The included news sources make it clear that this is highly unusual and increased significantly in recent weeks, and not "usual background noise" or "disparate and include routine vandalism". Tube·of·Light 04:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose glancing over the issue, there seems to be no connection between the various bomb threats. Other than a chunk of them being students... from different schools across the country. Yes there are an abnormal amount of bomb threats, but as far as I can see it's not because there is a concerted effort by a single group. Scuba 15:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 Cuba blackouts and the United States embargo against Cuba

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Consensus will not develop to repost. Stephen 02:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Cuba blackouts (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After 8 days nationwide blackouts across Cuba, the UN General Assembly votes 187-2-1 in favour for the 32nd time for a resolution calling the United States to lift its 64-year-long embargo against the country. (Post)
News source(s): UN News Việt Nam News Hindustan Times AP Anadolu Ajansı
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: The blackouts were not precedented and widely reported by the media, however the article definitely needs more expansion. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose The blackout article was already posted - albeit for less than 6 hours. Also, a non-binding UN vote isn't enough to force action, especially given it's the 32nd one of this same goal. If the embargo actually gets lifted, that's another story. Departure– (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, an UNGA vote calling almost unanimously for the blockade to be lifted every time for half the time this lengthy blockade has been in place should, I think itself, be significant. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My nomination of the General Assembly's vote to get Israel to have a ceasefire in Palestine went nowhere a month or so ago, so I wouldn't be so sure about that (as much as I'd wish this was ITN worthy). Departure– (talk) 12:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the context of the voting this time should make the blackouts and it newsworthy to readers of this encyclopedia from around the world, who can then draw their own judgement about the situation playing out. Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A UN resolution is not the same as the actual lifting. If the US actually did lift it, that would be a key news point. (Also I will point out the story around the blackouts was nominated but I don't think got to the quality needed). --Masem (t) 12:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The blackout article was, oddly enough, posed yesterday after the nomination had rolled off the ITN main candidate page. It was up very briefly and was already stale. Departure– (talk) 12:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    IMO, the first blurb was not on ITN for nearly long enough for everyone worldwide to see; and furthermore, the protests were very marginal compared to previously, to say the best. Anyhow, this UN vote seems to make a much clearer point to me about the views of the wider world than a small group of loud activists based in Florida that have been washing articles this encyclopedia, mainly related to Cuba & Venezuela, to fit their own views. Viva Nicolás (talk) 12:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Discuss content, not contributors, please. If you think there is sock or meat puppetry going on in these topic areas, please present that evidence at appropriate boards. — Masem (t) 13:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, will do that after I wake up the next morning in Australia :) Viva Nicolás (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem this is not this user’s first time making accusations of bias against them on Wikipedia, and the previous instance went nowhere. The Kip (contribs) 17:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose already posted the blackout. Scuba 14:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blackout has already been posted, and the UN vote has not caused the embargo to be lifted. If the embargo is lifted, that would be significant enough for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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