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November 6

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Category:Inauguration of Donald Trump

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Nominator's rationale: Well, there's two of them now. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 23:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Presidency of Donald Trump

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Nominator's rationale: Ugh.

Per the 2024 United States presidential election. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 23:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities and towns in Kiphire district

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing just one article. Unhelpful for navigation. Merge to parent, already categorised in other parent. AusLondonder (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Can I understand the rational for merging? If it is because there is only one related article, then do we have any guidelines saying we shouldn't create a category with one article and with the possibility of inclusion of many more articles as and when they are created? Such creation helps users to categorise easily instead of creating the articles in a broader category.
It's good to be streamlined rather than waiting for symptoms to appear to take actions. Pls note, I am not saying we should create empty categories! Thaejas (talk) 05:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ikusaka, Nagano

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article, an an article about a national park, both of which are already appropriately categorised. AusLondonder (talk) 20:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Useful category, for grouping of articles about Japanese municipalities, with links also to equivalent categories in other language Wikipedias. Please find something else to do rather than (proposal of) deletion of useful content and wasting of time. Same for other Japanese municipality-related listings here by the same User, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1500 V DC multiple units of New South Wales

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Nominator's rationale: Same reason as Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Victoria (state); unneeded and clone subcategory, except the NSW one excludes New South Wales R set, which to me is only a marginal difference. EditorGirlAL07 (talk) 04:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Victoria (state)

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Nominator's rationale: Unneeded subcategory of Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Australia, and a complete carbon copy of the Category:Electric multiple units of Victoria (state). EditorGirlAL07 (talk) 04:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wives of Charlie Chaplin

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Nominator's rationale: Not needed, Category:Chaplin family exists. The category tree Category:Wives by person is only usually used for royalty as people are not defined by their spouses, and they are notable in their own right. --woodensuperman 09:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There is nothing that limits the category tree to royalty. Dimadick (talk) 09:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. This has only been recently been created, no other entertainers have categories. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_31#Category:Husbands_of_Elizabeth_Taylor and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_April_6#Category:Husbands_of_Elizabeth_Taylor. --woodensuperman 10:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Children of Charlie Chaplin

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Nominator's rationale: Not needed, Category:Chaplin family exists. --woodensuperman 09:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not a rationale for deletion. Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. There are only two entries for entertainers in this category, which have recently been created. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Children of Clint Eastwood

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Nominator's rationale: Not needed, Category:Eastwood family exists. --woodensuperman 09:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not a rationale for deletion. Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. There are only two entries for entertainers in this category, which have recently been created. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are many articles that categorize a person by anther related person (for example their spouse or parent). These articles were originally categorized with Clint Eastwood, so what you are basically saying is that we can't have these specific categories, but categorizing a person with the category for another person is alright. Inpops (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, people should not be categorised by other people per WP:DEFINING, WP:OCASSOC and WP:COPSEP. --woodensuperman 13:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Smooth Network presenters

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Nominator's rationale: It seems this category is for presenters of the Smooth Radio stations. However the title is incorrect. Inpops (talk) 16:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Tagged Smooth Radio presenters.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century African-American sportsmen

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. In the 21st century, African Americans predominate in sports. Moreover, most articles do not even mention the subject's ethnicity. We deleted Category:African-American basketball players last year for the same reason. User:Namiba 18:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this was only created to diffuse the existing male entries at Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople per WP:CATGENDER, equating it to categories created for individual sports is inaccurate, as is suggesting this is some kind of new unsourced categorisation. Crowsus (talk) 18:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should also delete that category as well. Having uncited ethnicity categories is a major BLP issue, no?--User:Namiba 19:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support appears to be an outlier given the lack of similar categories for other American ethnicities. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nomination. I agree these is non-defining and not particularly useful. I would extend that to all similar sport-specific categories as well. Rikster2 (talk) 22:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century New Zealand women artists

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Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:19th-century_New_Zealand_male_artists Traumnovelle (talk) 18:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics MLB Team Wikipedians Category

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Please move Category:Wikipedians interested in the Oakland Athletics to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Athletics because the team name has changed. SportsFan007 (talk) 17:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yacht racing biography stubs to Sailing biography stubs

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Follow-up to this, broaden the scope of these stubs to sailing (Olympic sport) to include windsurfing, kitesurfing, dinghy racing etc. WPs Sailing, Stub sorting and Sports were notified a month ago without any feedback. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buddhist cave temples in Ladakh

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Nominator's rationale: merge, these are categories with only one to three articles, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, created before I realized how that section of the guidelines worked.
Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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