Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6
November 6
[edit]Category:Inauguration of Donald Trump
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Inauguration of Donald Trump to Category:Inaugurations of Donald Trump
- Nominator's rationale: Well, there's two of them now. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 23:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Presidency of Donald Trump
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Presidency of Donald Trump to Category:First presidency of Donald Trump
- Nominator's rationale: Ugh.
Per the 2024 United States presidential election. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 23:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support. What is there to discuss? ☆ Bri (talk) 01:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cities and towns in Kiphire district
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing just one article. Unhelpful for navigation. Merge to parent, already categorised in other parent. AusLondonder (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Can I understand the rational for merging? If it is because there is only one related article, then do we have any guidelines saying we shouldn't create a category with one article and with the possibility of inclusion of many more articles as and when they are created? Such creation helps users to categorise easily instead of creating the articles in a broader category.
- It's good to be streamlined rather than waiting for symptoms to appear to take actions. Pls note, I am not saying we should create empty categories! Thaejas (talk) 05:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Kiphire district, without prejudice to recreation when a few more articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Ikusaka, Nagano
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article, an an article about a national park, both of which are already appropriately categorised. AusLondonder (talk) 20:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Useful category, for grouping of articles about Japanese municipalities, with links also to equivalent categories in other language Wikipedias. Please find something else to do rather than (proposal of) deletion of useful content and wasting of time. Same for other Japanese municipality-related listings here by the same User, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this does not aid navigation. Villages as small as this hardly ever have a category on their own. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:1500 V DC multiple units of New South Wales
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Same reason as Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Victoria (state); unneeded and clone subcategory, except the NSW one excludes New South Wales R set, which to me is only a marginal difference. EditorGirlAL07 (talk) 04:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure of its usefulness but there is a whole category tree by voltage. As it stands now, if not kept, the category should be merged to Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Australia or to Category:1500 V DC multiple units. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Victoria (state)
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Unneeded subcategory of Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Australia, and a complete carbon copy of the Category:Electric multiple units of Victoria (state). EditorGirlAL07 (talk) 04:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure of its usefulness but there is a whole category tree by voltage. As it stands now, if not kept, the category should be merged to Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Australia or to Category:1500 V DC multiple units. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Wives of Charlie Chaplin
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not needed, Category:Chaplin family exists. The category tree Category:Wives by person is only usually used for royalty as people are not defined by their spouses, and they are notable in their own right. --woodensuperman 09:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. There is nothing that limits the category tree to royalty. Dimadick (talk) 09:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. This has only been recently been created, no other entertainers have categories. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_31#Category:Husbands_of_Elizabeth_Taylor and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_April_6#Category:Husbands_of_Elizabeth_Taylor. --woodensuperman 10:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is a weird structure. On top there is Category:Chaplin family, including his wives, at the next level there is Category:Charlie Chaplin, and finally under that there is Category:Wives of Charlie Chaplin with again the wives. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. It does not help navigation.--User:Namiba 20:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Children of Charlie Chaplin
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not needed, Category:Chaplin family exists. --woodensuperman 09:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not a rationale for deletion. Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. There are only two entries for entertainers in this category, which have recently been created. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is a weird structure. On top there is Category:Chaplin family, including his children, at the next level there is Category:Charlie Chaplin, and finally under that there is Category:Children of Charlie Chaplin with again the children. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Children of Clint Eastwood
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not needed, Category:Eastwood family exists. --woodensuperman 09:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not a rationale for deletion. Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. There are only two entries for entertainers in this category, which have recently been created. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are many articles that categorize a person by anther related person (for example their spouse or parent). These articles were originally categorized with Clint Eastwood, so what you are basically saying is that we can't have these specific categories, but categorizing a person with the category for another person is alright. Inpops (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, people should not be categorised by other people per WP:DEFINING, WP:OCASSOC and WP:COPSEP. --woodensuperman 13:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are many articles that categorize a person by anther related person (for example their spouse or parent). These articles were originally categorized with Clint Eastwood, so what you are basically saying is that we can't have these specific categories, but categorizing a person with the category for another person is alright. Inpops (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you look at the whole tree, only historical figures are usually included in this category. It is not WP:DEFINING for these people as they are notable in their own right. There are only two entries for entertainers in this category, which have recently been created. I don't think this is a precedent we should be encouraging. --woodensuperman 10:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is a weird structure. On top there is Category:Eastwood family, including his children, at the next level there is Category:Clint Eastwood, and finally under that there is Category:Children of Clint Eastwood with again the children. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Smooth Network presenters
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Smooth Network presenters to Category:Smooth Radio presenters
- Nominator's rationale: It seems this category is for presenters of the Smooth Radio stations. However the title is incorrect. Inpops (talk) 16:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both (and all radio presenter by network categories) per WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 10:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both per quoted guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Tagged Smooth Radio presenters.
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Category:21st-century African-American sportsmen
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:21st-century African-American sportsmen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century African-American sportswomen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century African-American sportsmen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century African-American sportswomen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century African-American sportspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American baseball people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American baseball players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American baseball coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American baseball managers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American college athletic directors in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sports coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American basketball coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American coaches of American football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American coaches of Canadian football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American tennis coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American motorsport people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American racing drivers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American IndyCar Series drivers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sports journalists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sportswriters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sports announcers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sportswriters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American bodybuilders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American boxers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American chess players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American equestrians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American jockeys (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sports executives and administrators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American golfers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American gymnasts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American ice hockey players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American mixed martial artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American professional wrestlers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American referees and umpires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American rugby union players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American rugby league players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American skateboarders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American soccer players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American sport wrestlers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American swimmers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American tennis players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American track and field athletes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:African-American volleyball players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. In the 21st century, African Americans predominate in sports. Moreover, most articles do not even mention the subject's ethnicity. We deleted Category:African-American basketball players last year for the same reason. User:Namiba 18:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this was only created to diffuse the existing male entries at Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople per WP:CATGENDER, equating it to categories created for individual sports is inaccurate, as is suggesting this is some kind of new unsourced categorisation. Crowsus (talk) 18:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- We should also delete that category as well. Having uncited ethnicity categories is a major BLP issue, no?--User:Namiba 19:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support appears to be an outlier given the lack of similar categories for other American ethnicities. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nomination. I agree these is non-defining and not particularly useful. I would extend that to all similar sport-specific categories as well. Rikster2 (talk) 22:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this was only created to diffuse the existing male entries at Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople per WP:CATGENDER, equating it to categories created for individual sports is inaccurate, as is suggesting this is some kind of new unsourced categorisation. Crowsus (talk) 18:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE Category:21st-century African-American sportswomen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) have both been added to this discussion.--User:Namiba 20:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- LOL you created one of those. Crowsus (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete including 20th century categories, too large categories, they would only be useful, hypothetically, if they would be diffused by sports - but given the other arguments above I don't think that there is any support to go that route. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Now added. I'd suggest also including the sport-specific subcats given the previous deletion of Basketball players. Crowsus (talk) 21:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE Category:20th-century African-American sportsmen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:20th-century African-American sportswomen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Category:20th-century African-American sportspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) have been added to this discussion. Crowsus (talk) 23:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. This is just relitigating of the last case Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 27#Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople. The people in those discussions ought to be pinged. Further, how is this not defining? There is a ton of academic literature on African Americans in sports, meaning that this meets the threshold for EGRS, including the phasing out of the Negro league baseball. If not keep, they need to be merged into their respective categories. I don't think the solution is deletion because of a need for better sourcing. SMasonGarrison 00:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE Due to being suggested above and the implicitly related deletion of Basketball players previously, Category:African-American baseball people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American baseball players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American baseball coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American baseball managers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American college athletic directors in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American basketball coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sports coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American coaches of American football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American coaches of Canadian football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American tennis coaches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American motorsport people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American racing drivers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American IndyCar Series drivers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sports journalists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sportswriters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sports announcers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sportswriters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American bodybuilders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American boxers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American chess players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American equestrians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American jockeys (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sports executives and administrators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American golfers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American gymnasts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American ice hockey players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American mixed martial artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American professional wrestlers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American referees and umpires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American rugby union players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American rugby league players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American skateboarders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American soccer players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American sport wrestlers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American swimmers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American tennis players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), Category:African-American track and field athletes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), and Category:African-American volleyball players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) have been added to this discussion. Apologies if this is not the correct procedural method to do so, if so please advise on what would be more acceptable. I feel adding all relevant cats to the discussion should ensure more interested editors are aware of the proposal and can offer their views if they so wish in this single forum, rather than 20 separate nomination discussions of the same topic at different times. Crowsus (talk) 00:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century New Zealand women artists
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:19th-century_New_Zealand_male_artists Traumnovelle (talk) 18:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for better or worse, the standard is women. See Category:19th-century women artists by nationality for examples.--User:Namiba 20:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- So far I have seen most discussions about renaming female to women and vice versa ending in keep or no consensus. There is no standard and no willingness to have a standard. This is almost a sort of an "oppose per precedent", although in principle I am not opposed to standardization. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is a sensible proposal as "female" is the counterpart to "male", hence this is more appropriate than "women". I also note that "female" can include "girls", whereas it seems inappropriate to include child artists under the category "women". Not sure why editors haven't brought this up in related discussions (at least I assume they haven't, because if they had, wouldn't this be so logical that almost anyone would agree to it?). As for Category:19th-century women artists by nationality, there is nothing stopping us from having a discussion about the parent category as well. Schwede66 22:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support standardisation, that is, I have only a weakly supportive take on this change, but this category should be changed only with all the others. — HTGS (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The entire category tree is women artists. There have been a ton of these kinds of cases that always end in keep or no consensus. I think we should consult with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists, I do not see the benefit of changing the name to deviate from the wikiproject. SMasonGarrison 00:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Athletics MLB Team Wikipedians Category
[edit]Please move Category:Wikipedians interested in the Oakland Athletics to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Athletics because the team name has changed. SportsFan007 (talk) 17:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Only change this category name after the article Oakland Athletics changed its name. On another note, isn't this a very narrow interest topic? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Yacht racing biography stubs to Sailing biography stubs
[edit]Follow-up to this, broaden the scope of these stubs to sailing (Olympic sport) to include windsurfing, kitesurfing, dinghy racing etc. WPs Sailing, Stub sorting and Sports were notified a month ago without any feedback. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:African yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Asian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Chinese yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Japanese yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:European yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Austrian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Belgian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:British yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Danish yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Finnish yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:French yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:German yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Greek yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Irish yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Italian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Dutch yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Norwegian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Polish yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Portuguese yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Spanish yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Swedish yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Swiss yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:North American yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:American yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Canadian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Oceanian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Australian yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:New Zealand yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:South American yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Argentine yacht racing biography stubs
- Category:Brazilian yacht racing biography stubs
Category:Buddhist cave temples in Ladakh
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Buddhist cave temples in Ladakh to Category:Buddhist caves in India
- Propose merging Category:Buddhist cave temples in Bihar to Category:Buddhist caves in India
- Propose merging Category:Buddhist cave temples in Karnataka to Category:Buddhist caves in India
- Propose merging Category:Buddhist cave temples in Rajasthan to Category:Buddhist caves in India
- Nominator's rationale: merge, these are categories with only one to three articles, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, created before I realized how that section of the guidelines worked.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)