Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Riya Sokół

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The result was delete. Sandstein 14:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Riya Sokół

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this is PR spam, chock full of black hat SEO "news" sources designed to make clients seem more notable than they actually are. Praxidicae (talk) 12:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, this artist is well known, she published music albums, she is a performer and so on. I am not sure, where is the problem, especially as there are references and real awards and music :)? Klarqa (talk) 13:30, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Klarqa well for starters, half of your sources are fake. Praxidicae (talk) 14:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi again! I remeber, checking those articles - are you saying, there are empty links now? I can assure you, that this person is known also abroad in certain groups of fans, she has concerts all over the world and so on :) I have her albums at home Klarqa (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I have to go back to work now, so please - let me know what we can do here, because it took a lot of work to compose this article, gather photos with permissions and so on :) I checked links and I remember these articles- they are OK. Klarqa (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Klarqa no they're not dead links, they're blatant fake news sites run by black hat SEO firms that publish material to imitate real journalists and news sites to make their clients look important. Sites like this are nothing short of SEO trash. Praxidicae (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Oops, I just believed they are OK, because I can tell the information inside are true. There are more sources in Polish language, but I decided that maybe it would be more convenient to use English language sources on enwiki. If I can use for now Polish references I can add them (as a long time editor I know, that when it`s problem with sources in English, you can use another language, if topic/person is still suitable for enclopeadia, and this particular person is. Links in Polish (some of them): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. You can check those via this analitic tool. Thanks! Klarqa (talk) 16:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Klarqa the Polish sources are not good either. this is an interview and doesn't appear to be an rs anyway, this is basically imdb, [wp.pl/?s=https%3A%2F%2Fkobieta.wp.pl%2Fpiosenkarka-pati-sokol-nagle-zniknela-dzis-opowiada-o-tym-jak-zmienilo-sie-jej-zycie-6458420582282881a&src01=f1e45 this is basically the same as the first one], this says nothing about her, this is far from coverage, this is a press release/announcement and I could continue but I hope you get the point. Praxidicae (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Good morning, so what can we do, because compAring to other biographic articles on enwiki, this person belongs HERE as the published known artist. of course for this kind of artistic activity sources are these kind very often (imbd, album release information etc.), especially when we speak about contemporary artists. I found additional ref.- interview with her and maybe we can remove those 'wrong' references and work on better. I mean- now me and you are discussing and I understand that you don`t know this artist, but plenty peple do and for no-Polish speaking persons this article is a good thing. I could point towards many articles about low-class actors/acresses and so on - they did 1-2 things and have article on Wikipedia ;) But I understand, that you are taking care of good sources so thank you for your work on making Wikipedia better! I have work to do whole day, so I will be back at my evenning (CET). Klarqa (talk) 09:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• And here is an analysis of the sources. Google has nothing better.

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
http://riyasokol.com/know/	her website	only for primary info		✘ No
https://www.pmlngroup.com/conversation-with-multi-talented-riya-sokol/	interview	black hat seo interview site spam (ie. pay for interview publication		✘ No
https://muziquemagazine.com/riya-sokol-talks-about-love-for-her-craft-sense-of-style-and-more/	same as above	same as above		✘ No
http://tantra-festival.com/riya-2/	festival listing	~ for basic primary info only		✘ No
https://dorothysurrenders.blogspot.com/2012/04/womans-work.html		random blogs aren't reliable		✘ No
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/polish-mums-who-gifted-kate-10815507		see WP:RSP	not even about her	✘ No
http://www.globalmusicawards.com/Winners-May-2019.html	award listing		not even a notable award	✘ No
https://muziquemagazine.com/riya-sokol-talks-about-love-for-her-craft-sense-of-style-and-more/		see #3		✘ No
https://awakenaslove.com/sweden-training/	listsing			✘ No
https://london-post.co.uk/everything-you-need-to-know-about-riya-sokol-and-her-new-album/	London-post.co.uk is a black hat SEO site that publishes fake articles designed to look like legitimate media outlets to inflate the importance of peoples clients	see above		✘ No
https://washingtondc.eventful.com/events/awaken-love-taster-james-stevenson-riya-sokol-/E0-001-117816104-0	event listing	n		✘ No
https://london-post.co.uk/everything-you-need-to-know-about-riya-sokol-and-her-new-album/	see #10			✘ No
https://www.filmweb.pl/person/Pati+Sok%C3%B3%C5%82-1911329	just the polish imdb			✘ No
http://megazin.megatotal.pl/pierwsze-krysztalowe-kamer-tony-rozdane/				✘ No
https://wownow.com/coronavirus-prevention/			all this is is a webpage with a bunch of random YT videos, utterly meaningless	✘ No
http://mindgil.com/client/board/view.asp?fcd=&nNewsNumb=20200368941&nCate=C02&nCateM=M1001	this basically a self submitted fan blog	i have sincere doubts about the reliability of a website that calls itself a legitimate news site but is just one guys gmail account		✘ No
https://www.insider.com/jaime-king-backlash-video-thanking-the-coronavirus-2020-3	not about the subject	but not about the subject	it's about Jamie King with a single mention of the subject	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Praxidicae (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I am actually surprised this article is not PRODded.--Darwinek (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per the very good indepth analysis of the issue by the nominator.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
• Delete = In addition to noms excellent source analysis, there looks to be nothing in the ether that is even remotely promising. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
• NOTE: To all above voting for Delete - please, read my arguments and proposals in discussion. I would like to remind, that discussion on deletion should bring us to consensus, no to to voting Klarqa (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
• Stay - because person is encyclopaedic and verifable via her activity like published albums etc. As we can see, her bio is connected to importatnt blue liknks. NOTE: Stay with template about better citation needed. Klarqa (talk) 02:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
• Stay - 1) notability: yes, 2) wiki in other languages - yes, as a matter of fact this article is almost (if not totally, except discography section) nothing but a translation from its Polish version, 3) links: indeed for improvement, see: Polish version - it has more trustable sources. This however brings back the question whether the subject of this article (Pati/Riya Sokół) is rather known in PL or also internationally. I am however an inclusive Wikipedian and - as we are depict all knowledge of humanity, i believe we should not limit content to the relevant language only - thus: I firmly vote Stay (with improved references, so: maybe we should just mark it as article that needs improvements instead of deleting it?). Lantuszka (talk) 13:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The fact that it exists on PL wiki is irrelevant as each project has different inclusion criteria. The article in Polish is equally as bad as this one and lacks in the sources required for BLPs. The sources are nothing more than her press team puffing up her resume. There are almost no legitimate sources about her. Praxidicae (talk) 12:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per analysis done by Praxidicae above. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 06:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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