Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Legg

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Like JamesBWatson, I went through all of the references in the article (if they were online, which most were), and there does not appear to be any significant coverage of Legg in reliable, secondary sources. Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Phil Legg

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This was created at User:Flora85 by that SPA who edited only on 1 and 2 Feb 2010. It remained untouched for a year and a half until another SPA, Bill Price - William (talk) appeared, and edited it over 11 days in late September/early October 2011. It was nominated for deletion at MfD, and was heading for deletion until Bill Price - William stated that he had further sources to add to the page. Following that, the page was kept to allow him a chance to develop it; but he never edited the page again, nor made any further edits to Wikipedia at all.

The page was recently brought to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Flora85 (2nd nomination) as a WP:FAKEARTICLE, but the conclusion of the discussion was that it was good enough to deserve consideration as an article. I have therefore moved it to the mainspace and bring it here for the community to consider. Procedural nomination: I am neutral. On the plus side, he seems to have a considerable record, he is mentioned in many existing articles, the tone is not unduly promotional, and there are many refs; on the minus side, there is reason to suppose autobiography, or at best COI (which is not a reason for deletion, but is a reason for looking hard at notability), many of the refs are mere list mentions and it is not clear there is enough depth of independent coverage to establish notability. JohnCD (talk) 18:22, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. JohnCD (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - yes, a clear and neutral nomination. It isn't easy to say what to do with this one. It does indeed look as if Bill Price - William had a close connection with Phil Legg, and it's certainly a pity that nobody has added to the article since BP-W created it. Neither of those are definite deletion reasons; the coverage looks thin; the matter would be decided by two or three decently detailed sources, or by definitive failure to find any such. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. The cobbled-together nature of this article reveals what Google News and Books confirm as well: this person is a minor player in a bunch of fields. He played guitar somewhere, produced a few tracks, had a nightclub, etc--none of these things individually guarantee notability and I don't believe they do so in aggregate, since none of the sources I found discuss the person at all, they just mention him. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. Borderline notable, swinging to keep due to the decent number of incoming links justifiable. This person would not be notable enough for a biography based on any one of his achievements, but given the range if them, it is appropriate to summarise and cross-reference. The authors do appear to have a COI, but they didn't actively hide it, nor did they write promotion. The subject already has enough promotion from his own web page that there is no point in using Wikipedia to promote his current commercial interests. The references include at least one biographical piece. There are no WP:BLP concerns of negative or unsourced material. A more professional photograph would be nice. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Most of the references don't even mention Phil Legg; most of those that do mention him make only passing mention of him, some of them doing no more than including his name in a credit list; many of them are clearly not independent sources; many of them are links to a download site, of no value at all as references. Not a single one of them could, by any stretch of the imagination, be described as substantial coverage in a reliable independent source. Google search has produced a fair number of unreliable and/or non-independent sources, but nothing better than the references in the article. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - was hoping to find sources but agree this is too thin to survive really. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.