Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joker (upcoming film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Armegon (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Joker (upcoming film)

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See film notability guidelines and in particular future film guidelines. Films that have not been released are only notable if production itself is notable. The events listed here are pre-production events.

This draft was in AFC and was declined, but has been moved to article space bypassing AFC.

Different editors take different interpretations of the future film guidelines. The first is that films that are in production are notable if the start of production is documented. The second is that the guideline means exactly what it says, and films in production are notable only if production itself is notable. I suggest that we re-establish that the guideline actually means what it says. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:44, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, first, the start of production on Joker is documented. Second, the production itself is notable. It is a film centered around a popular supervillain character who commonly populates the Batman-universe. Thirdly, the article is well sourced, well written and this user believes ready for the mainspace. TheMovieGuy

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 15:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: the article says that filming was set to start on September 10. It's the 12th... has filming started? If it has, then I'd vote keep per WP:NFILM. (not watching, please {{ping}}) JOEBRO64 20:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. But only because principle photography has just started. No official statement yet, but the director says it has. [1][2] And the production is very well reported on thus clearly notable. A film like this is widely anticipated beyond what is normal and does not fit the guideline well. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 20:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Principal photography has begun. No idea why you're debating its notability either since it is clear from sources that the film is notable. JustaFilmFan (talk) 21:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Not quite sure what counts as production, but it seems like the production section passes WP:GNG right now. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 22:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Article clearly notable, well-written and well-sourcedMatt14451 (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per above. At worst, this would be moved to draftspace, not deleted. The nomination seems rather pointy. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep production has begun, a notable film. Vmars22 (talk) 20:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep satisfy both condition. Principal photography has begun [3] and production itself is notable (independent coverage from multiple WP:RS).--Let There Be Sunshine 08:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NFF since filming has begun on this. Deletion or merging would be more appropriate if the film was stuck in development or pre-production with no certainty of being made. Of course, the start of filming does not directly mean a work will be made, but it crosses a threshold of being much, much more likely for that to happen. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: Can this discussion be closed now? There has been a consensus to keep the article and the film has already commenced filming. There's no need to keep this discussion active anymore. Armegon (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.