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November 27

Baseball or cricket: which is more lethal?

I've been able to find some data on cricket deaths but very little on baseball. For baseball near the top of the Google results is this 1920 case. Is cricket so much more dangerous than baseball? If so why? If not, why can't I find as many cases in Google? Contact Basemetal here 16:40, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I expect you're bringing this up because of the death of cricketer Phil Hughes. The only death from on-field action in modern MLB that I'm aware of is the Chapman case in 1920. That arose due to several circumstances, not the least of which is that there were no batting helmets then. A player named Jim Creighton, in the 1860s, died from an injury sustained on-field, though that was not caused by being hit by the ball. There have also been severe, career-changing but non-lethal injuries on-field from being hit by a pitched or batted ball. Dizzy Dean, Herb Score, Tony Conigliaro and Kirby Puckett come to mind right away. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:20, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Was it ok to link to the relevant articles in your post? We're not supposed to touch each other's interventions but in this case it changes nothing to what you had to say and it makes it more convenient for readers. Contact Basemetal here 18:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like how you refer to Bugs' utterances as "interventions" (Seinfeld would approve). The rest of us are happy with "contributions". :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC) [reply]

Contibution's fine but more general than what I was trying to say. I was looking for another word. Something like 'statement'. What do you call the successive utterances of people taking part in a debate? 'Motion', 'proposition', etc. on the other hand would be too specific.Contact Basemetal here 19:33, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Transactions? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC) [reply]

Sorry about failing to link. I appreciate the fix-up. :) As to the term to use, "contributions", "edits", "comments", and probably other terms are fine. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But given the user name shouldn't his postings be called rabbitings? Sorry Bugs couldn't resist. CambridgeBayWeather (mobile) (talk) 03:21, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In my signature, I call them "carrots". But that's kind of non-standard. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, cricket is not more dangerous than baseball. Until Phil Hughes, in the entire history of cricket there had only ever been one case of this kind. I could be wrong, but I daresay there have been far more cricket games played than baseball games. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:48, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to say which games/matches there have been "more of" for their respective sports, and I'm sure there have more than one such incidents in baseball (across many, many times more games) at all levels: minor league, college, high school, little league, etc. As of 2009, the number of MLB games played from 1900 onward was approaching 250,000.[1] The extreme rarity of a death from on-field play probably provides too small a number to argue statistically that one is "more dangerous" than the other - they are both statistically close to 0. And in both the Chapman and the Hughes case, it was the result of a rare set of circumstances, essentially "bad luck". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article about Hughes above is referring to that specific injury, not any injury caused by cricket, Cricket ball#Dangers of cricket balls describes multiple other deaths and injuries--Jac16888 ^Talk 00:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And even in that article, the headline refers to "one other case", implying that there were two. The doctor is quoted as saying that there has been "only one case reported", but that could well mean (as the headline writer apparently took it to mean) reported previously, probably meaning in medical journals rather than the press. If he'd meant "this is the first case", he'd probably have used a different wording. --65.94.50.4 (talk) 10:29, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

These pages list cricketers who died from being hit by a ball. Their lists include one umpire. But these are all from the past 50 years only. On the other hand they mix several levels of the game, whereas Bugs restricted himself to Major League. Even so, there's other cases than Phillip Hugues (Raman Lamba, Abdul Aziz) even at the top level. (Check out the lists.) Number of games played could be an explanation. And cricket games are longer too. Contact Basemetal here 21:06, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can remember at least two little-league or varsity deaths caused by a baseball strike to the chest, which induced heart failure, since the 90's when my athlete sister died of (non-baseball-related) heart failure. It's unlikely these would be counted in major-league statistics, and the death of 20-y/o-ish athletes on the field is not unheard-of in any exertion-filled sport. μηδείς (talk) 00:44, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've never played cricket, but I've held a brand-new cricket ball in my hand, and it seems to me it was very hard, like a croquet ball - which, of course, is made of wood. Not that a new baseball is that much softer. As a match progresses, the ball is seldom replaced, so it tends to soften up, thus presumably the greater danger is in the early part of the match. I still suspect the incidence of deaths is too low to be statistically significant between the two sports. But both baseball and cricket have certainly had many "near misses". I recall one time when Minnesota Twins batter-runner Corey Koskie took a direct hit in the chest, not from a batted ball, thankfully, but from a hard throw by an infielder whose aim toward home plate was a tad off target. Koskie lay on the ground for a while, but was OK. A few years later, he suffered an on-field concussion and he was done. So perhaps a more meaningful question would be not so much about lethalness, but about life-changing injuries. Then you'd have a larger population to work with. Finding such data might not be so easy, though. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It seems a lot more people outside of sport are killed or injured by baseball bats than cricket bats (and both beat out hockey sticks). Probably more to do with America than baseball, but the game is somewhat responsible for all the easily obtainable and highly efficient clubs. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:48, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget the catchers with their suicide vests.... μηδείς (talk) 03:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to that PDF, baseball bats are also known as Black Death, or "one of the most devastating pandemics in human history." InedibleHulk (talk) 04:04, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

In baseball, I've seen far more spectators than players be injured by flying balls and bats. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

During a grade school lunch break, I was beaned by a foul ball from a game I wasn't even spectating. Still holds my personal record for biggest goose egg. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:42, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

That reminds me, I often see baseball players in fail videos blinded by the sun while looking up and crashing into something or someone. Cricket doesn't do that. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:39, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

This recent article lists a few cricket deaths. Another article from 2009 mentions a book, Death at the Ballpark: A Comprehensive Study of Game-Related Fatalities, 1862-2007, which details a number of baseball deaths. Hack (talk) 08:03, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the book's website. ~~There's lots of information available already at the website, e.g. this list of fatalities.~~ (Sorry, that list is only one of additional fatalities not listed in the book.) Contact Basemetal here 23:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll just mention Ewen Chatfield, who didn't quite die after being struck on the head by a bouncer. His misfortune possibly resulted in the introduction of the cricket helmet. --TammyMoet (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It continues. This guy, former captain of the Israeli cricket team, took up umpiring, and died after being hit by a ball just yesterday. HiLo48 (talk) 22:09, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not the first cricket umpire killed. Why not introduce helmets and chest pads for umpires like in baseball? Contact Basemetal here 23:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently because cricket injuries are accidents, while murder with a bat is a pandemic spread by the CIA to kill black people. μηδείς (talk) 00:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Post-2001, the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform fixed it so that we associate people getting cracked out of the park with this left-fielder instead of the real slugger. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:37, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Just to add some balance, I found this unfortunate recent case of someone being murdered with a cricket bat, and then there's Oscar Pistorius, who is alleged to have attacked his girlfriend with one. Alansplodge (talk) 11:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it in his article. Is that the same girlfriend he shot to death? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An attack by Pistorius on the toilet door using a cricket bat was an important part of the trial. I don't remember any allegations that he hit Steenkamp with it. --Dweller (talk) 14:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article, Comparison_of_baseball_and_cricket#Bowling.2Fpitching, which has some relevant points on this subject.

For one thing, in baseball, "Deliberately hitting a batter is fairly uncommon, however, chiefly because it is punished severely". In cricket, a fast bowler often aims at the batsman with a bouncer, and it's not unusual to see him hit anywhere above the waist, including on the head.

Also, from the same article, "the ball in cricket is harder and heavier in weight. The legal weight for the ball in baseball must weigh between 5 to 5.25 ounces (142 to 149 g). Whereas, the ball in cricket must weigh between 5.5 to 5.8 ounces (156 to 164 g)."

Finally, the fact that the ball is pitched in cricket, makes its course less predictable, especially when the pitch deteriorates - although the days of "sticky dog"s in the professional game are long gone.

All told, it's actually surprising there haven't been more serious injuries in cricket. Some old timers blame the increased incidence of injuries on improvements in protective kit, which may seem contradictory, but it's led to batsmen being less afraid to take on the ball - Hughes, for example, was killed when playing an attacking stroke, not cowering in defence. --Dweller (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As an indication of how the Phil Hughes death has rocked the sporting world, his funeral yesterday (my time) in Macksville, a town of a little over 2,500 people, which was attended by well over 5,000 people including many prominent non-cricketing sportspeople, was covered in full (2 hours all up) and without interruption by 4 of the 5 main television networks here. It was shown on public screens at major cricket venues all around the country. The only time I can remember a similar response was the funeral of Princess Diana. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:22, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone's interested: What Dweller described in his last paragraph is sometimes subsumed under risk compensation. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:29, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

November 28

Two Tribes

Two Tribes by Frankie Goes To Hollywood opens with a melody sounding like a church organ. Is this melody based on an existing classical piece or did the band compose it themselves? JIP | Talk 06:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Between 00:05 and 00:27 in this video? The sounds are not "church organ" but a kind of "piano pad" and "strings". It was all composed on a Synclavier anyway I think. Contact Basemetal here 11:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[[See also here for what a "pad" is... --Jayron32 13:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

November 29

Was the 80s disco song "DJ in My Life" released in the US?

There's a disco song from the 80s that I remember. The name of the song is "DJ in My Life". Web searches showed that the singer was Annie Livingstone, and that the song was apparently an expanded/adapted version of a song written for a Honda scooter commercial (the DJ‧1R). Was the song ever released in the US? --173.49.17.222 (talk) 16:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if you've already checked the Japanese WP article but if you haven't I can tell you it does not seem to mention any US release. And these AllMusic pages for Joey Carbone, Richie Zito and Annie Livingstone (crediting Livingstone for a number of songs all composed and produced by the same Joey Carbone/Richie Zito team that composed and produced "DJ in My Life") have no mention of your song. (Another possible indication there was no US release.) Contact Basemetal here 12:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

December 1

1980 in music "Other notable hits"

I am just wondering why there isn't a section for other notable hits or other significant hits like the other years from the 1980's in music. 1980 is the only year of the 80's that does not include this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.220.3 (talk) 00:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You could add that info yourself, you know. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Monsters of Rock was born. Everything else is trivia. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

What is a guest star in the context of a movie ?

In a TV series, it's somebody who only appears in one (or maybe a few) episodes. In a movie, does it mean they only appear in a single scene ? Is this term used of more famous actors who just do cameo appearances ? For an example, the movie Barabbas lists Ernest Borgnine as a guest star. StuRat (talk) 18:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It all has to do with billing and the contract the actor negotiated. Consider Lost in Space, where Jonathan Harris was listed as "Special Guest Star" despite appearing in pretty much every episode. (Didn't we have this same discussion a month or two or three ago?) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does have an article titled Billing (filmmaking), as well. --Jayron32 01:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

December 2

Super Bowl LIII

This is not the place for requesting new articles. The relevant link has been provided.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Why Have you not created the Super Bowl LIII Article maybe because of the Ray Rice And Adrian Peterson Investigations — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.58.146 (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What has the one got to do with the other? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps if their suspensions could effect whether they would be eligible to play in it ? StuRat (talk) 04:47, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I want the Super Bowl LIII Article to be created right now. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 02:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for the Super Bowl aren't usually created several years in advance. Super Bowl LIII won't be played until 2019. So I wouldn't suspect the article would be written until at least 2018. Dismas|^(talk) 03:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If List of Super Bowl champions is a proper indicator, they haven't even determined the venue for LIII yet. So it wouldn't be much of an article. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well I hope that this article will be created soon. But they are some cities bidding for Super Bowl LIII. But I hope that they announce the site for Super Bowl LIII will be announced hopefully in May 2015. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 03:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Then maybe it could be created in May 2015. What's so urgent? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's good it may be sooner rather than later as I said. Because There are some cities in the running for Super Bowl LIII. The cities that are in the running are Atlanta Dallas Indianapolis Miami And Seattle. And we hope the category for Super Bowl LIII Will Start soon. and the winning bid will be announced in May 2015. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 04:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine but again, what's the rush? It's not taking place for another four years. Dismas|^(talk) 05:06, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And at the very least, it's "please" not "I want"... But also, welcome to Wikipedia, where anyone can be an editor... If you want an article to be created, create it. gazhiley 12:31, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think IP's are allowed to create articles. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They are allowed to create accounts, tho... --Jayron32 15:36, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please start the Super Bowl LIII article soon cause it's still red and it needs to turn to blue. But we know the game does not take place for 4 years and it will air on CBS Feb 3 2019. But the good news is there are some bids for the game in possible cities like Atlanta which is the favorite to win it. Other cities include Dallas, Indianapolis, Miami, New Orleans, and Seattle. But the winner will be announced in May 2015. And if you like can you put some references on the page. That would make me happy. Thank You. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is a place meant for requesting articles (though I'm not sure how successful you will be there either): Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Sports - it has a subsection titled "American football". ---Sluzzelin talk 17:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I Can't request the Super Bowl LIII page on Wikipedia please start it soon.68.102.58.146 (talk) 17:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure you can, the "Requested articles" page is not protected. Just add your request to the list I linked to. or click here, and you're in editing mode. ---Sluzzelin talk 17:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I Can't Do it Because the Super Bowl LIII Article page is still red it needs to turn to blue I Don't Want to wait for almost 3 Years Please start the article page as soon as possible.68.102.58.146 (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you won't explain why this is so urgent, why should we do anything about it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I Still Cant Get The Super Bowl LIII Categorey to Start When Will it start68.102.58.146 (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I have reported the IP for trolling, and have re-added his latest nonsense just for the record. Check his contrib history for further trolling evidence. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

the yellow ribbon

who wrote the yellow ribbon and who was the person that the introductory paragraph indicates that the writer of the story is of thestory yellow ribbon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.17.223.178 (talk) 16:47, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which article are you referring to? Yellow ribbon indicates it's not based on a real incident, as far as is known. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps they are referring to one of the many songs about the Yellow ribbon, there are several, the most popular is probably the Tony Orlando song "Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree". --Jayron32 20:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Whichever article you're interested in, just click the History tab and it will show you the complete details of who wrote (or removed or changed) what and when. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

December 3

Emilie-Claire_Barlow

Since Emilie Claire Barlow will be releasing her next studio record slated for release in late 2015 does anyone think she will go on tour in Ontario? I've been trying to get her autograph for years and she was going to sign cds but I couldn't at the concert i was at because my cousin was pregnant at the time. Venustar84 (talk) 01:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything in Google or on her personal website announcing tour dates? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You might try mailing in a request for an autograph, with a self-addressed stamped envelope. StuRat (talk) 02:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did send a self addressed stamped envelope and I got nothing. Please help me. Venustar84 (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When did you mail it? Considering that the advice was given to you yesterday anything you mailed could not possibly have gotten to Ms Barlow let alone could anything have been mailed back to you. MarnetteD|Talk 02:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's fair to say that any public figure who gets a lot of mail is going to hire people to go through that mail and respond as needed. I wouldn't put it past them to sign the autographs themselves. There's no substitute for getting one in person. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A year ago. Venustar84 (talk) 04:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This thread is nonsense, it should be collapsed because the question is purely speculative. Can anyone tell me how this question and the ensuing "opinions" improve Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Police Chase in Film

In The Amazing Spider-Man 2, I was baffled by the opening sequence in which something like 25-40 NYPD cruisers are seen chasing a stolen tow truck / plutonium armored carrier. It just seems so silly that they would try to chase the thief en masse -- was this done to mirror how it's drawn in comic books? I'm not a comic book fan, so maybe I'm missing something. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 02:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A partial answer is yes they are emulating the comics up to a point. Even more than that they are copying the type of "over the top" film making in chase scenes that goes back at least as far as the Keystone Cops. It sold then and it still draws in audiences today. MarnetteD|Talk 02:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, there wouldn't be much point in having dozens of cars behind the vehicle they are chasing. They might have a few there, but would use the radio and possibly a helicopter to get other police cruisers in position in front of the vehicle they are trying to stop. StuRat (talk) 02:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Our article car chase has sections on chases in reality and in fiction. Tvtropes has some nice info on the traditions in fiction here [3]. In short, yes, car chases in fiction are commonly not much like chases in reality. SemanticMantis (talk) 14:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

Crazy titch sing along - Classical sample?

Hey can anyone identify the classical sample used in Crazy Titch's "sing along track"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM59LQOn_0Q Mega helpful if you can name what key it's played in, name of the piece, if it's part of a concerto etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.86.198 (talk) 00:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you just assume it was from a classical piece or did you read/hear that somewhere? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stonehearst Asylum

What is the music that starts playing at the party scene exactly 1h 16min 57s into the movie? Th4n3r (talk) 11:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 :A year ago. [[User:Venustar84|Venustar84]] ([[User talk:Venustar84|talk]]) 04:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
+This thread is nonsense, it should be collapsed because the question is purely [[WP:CRYSTAL|speculative]].  Can anyone tell me how this question and the ensuing "opinions" improve Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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