User talk:Waterfox1

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Thank you for the helpful response. I have made considerable progress working in my sandbox on Cold War Legacies.

I'm about ready to start uploading my text, which has been reformatted to wikipedia standards. However, I keep encountering a problem for which I cannot find any wikipedia "help" advice. The problem is: when I load text separated by double break or Hrt intervals, the previewed text looks fine, but the editable text gets bunched up into a single blob (containing and ignoring the various break or hard-return codes).

No matter what I try, including copying and resinserting existing wikipedia articles, the bunched up non-conforming result reoccurs. Any ideas?

waterfox1 17:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

You sound like you're encountering a recent bug that is still being tracked down. To turn off the problematic feature, go into "my preferences" at the top right, choose the "editing" tab, and scroll to the bottom and ensure all three experimental features are unchecked. I think that should resolve your problem. Hope that helps, --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 17:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The unchecking ridded me of this elusive problem that plagued me for days. waterfox1 20:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Cold War Legacies

Hello, the article Cold War Legacies which you added contains only a small amount of information that appears to be a draft. In order to remain on the article space, the article must contain sufficient information to show that it meets the notability criteria. If you would like to work on a draft for later posting as an article, I can move the article to your userspace (which is not private) where you can work on it until you are satisfied that it can be posted to the article space. Note that doing this is not a guarantee that the article merits inclusion criteria, but it will save you a lot of headache and heartache. In its current state, the article may be deleted rather quickly; in fact, I'm surprised it hasn't already been deleted. Let me know if you would like me to move the draft by responding below and I'll gladly do it for you. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

{{Help Me}} Thanks for the advice received to date. I have been working on a contribution (derived from one of my published books) that will flesh out Cold War "legacies." I have spent the last month or so creating and editing text and loading it into my sandbox User:Waterfox1/Cold War Legacies. I'm not done quite yet, but getting close enough to request assistance in preparation for uploading it as a subsection to the Legacies section of Cold War. Please advise on how to go about the it and gain the benefit of experienced Wikipedia editorial assistance. waterfox1 21:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

There is a Wikipedia Project for "Cold War". It would be more useful for you to post a question on the project talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cold War, then like minded editors can give you the assistance you need. A quick view of your 4 new pages - shows one major problem :- No inline references - please have a read of WP:CITE, a manual list at the end will not do, editors will add bits, and no one will want to keep changing numbers to keep the list correct. Properly cited in-line references number themselves automatically.

Thanks for the response, and I will follow up. Your view of the four "pages" might have been a bit too quick, as there are over 50 citations spread throughout; nevertheless, I don't doubt the need for more. waterfox1 17:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Cold War Legacies

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Help request, re. Cold War Legacy

{{Help Me}} Having completed text to be added to the Legacy subsection of Cold War, I am requesting step-by-step assistance or fulfillment in carrying through that transition. I have no experience in exporting an article and importing it into an existing page, and I don't want to take the risk of creating problems with the main article. The Cold War Legacies article is currently in my sandbox User:Waterfox1 and is ready to be imported into the main article, at which time it can undergo peer review and editing. In the meantime, I will be working on importing some images, subject to their validation. waterfox1 19:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. I have moved your request for help over to your own talk page, and I will try to assist you here. I will respond more in a few minutes; I think I see what you want to do. More soon,  Chzz  ►  19:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• In User:Waterfox1/Cold War Legacies, in the subsection headings, you should write a summary of the sub-article, and use the {{main}} template; the headings don't need the word 'legacy', because the is the article subject. For example (just a vague idea).

==Cold War Radiation==

{{main|Cold War Radiation Legacies}}

Following the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during [[World War II]], 
...etc. (further summary here)

...each section would then look something like this;

Cold War Radiation

Main article: Cold War Radiation Legacies

Following the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II, ...etc. (further summary here)

...and so on, for each sub-topic.

• Next, before making the sub-articles live, I suggest that you work on the references, and try to add in-line references; currently, it is not possible to tell which facts come from which source. I will add a guide on referencing to this page.

• Once the sub-articles are ready to go live, you should move them to the live area.

• Finally, you should copy the User:Waterfox1/Cold War Legacies (with the new summary-style 'see main article' things) to the Cold War article. You do this with copy-and-paste; as it is your own work, this is fine. In fact, it is far more preferable for you to do this yourself, so that your username is correctly attributed with the authorship in the target article.

Some clarification of this whole concept may be gleaned from WP:SUMMARYSTYLE.

I hope that this is sufficient explanation to get things started; if you do require further assistance, please use a {{helpme}} here, on your own talk page. You may also wish to contact me directly on my talk page, or obtain live assistance. Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  19:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Your prompt and thorough response is appreciated. I'll start right away, trying to follow your guidance. As for inline references, there are over 70 unique citations spread throughout the 6 articles, in addition to the wikipedia article references. I do, however, need to apply the second-usage shortcut. I expect that after posting, I will receive requests for specific citations. waterfox1 21:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Chzz asked that I take a look and offer help which I am happy to do. I think he has answered your questions nicely. A couple of questions:

• Are you creating an article separate from the main cold war article - a kind of content fork?
• Do you need help with the references?

Sorry for my delay in responding but I've been tied up in real life. JodyB _talk 12:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow-up. The article is essentially a expansion of the Legacy section of the main article Cold War. I think I have the references well enough in hand for this stage. I'm just about ready to post it. waterfox1 17:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Help Me}} I'm ready to post (move) my article "Cold War Legacies." I have the following question: What do I do about the 6 subpages? Right now they are posted with a slash designation (i.e., /Cold War Radiation Legacies). Do I remove the / in front of each subpage before moving the main article Cold War Legacies, or are some other steps required so the entire article is moved as one coherent block?

Second question: Once the Cold War Legacies article with its 6 subsections is moved to the mainspace, I want to place a link in the Legacy section of the main article Cold War. My provisional intent is to edit that Legacy section and add the following sentence: "A more specific description of Cold War radiation, nuclear, military, security, institutional, and economic legacies can be found in the following article:

Main article: Cold War Legacies

." Is this an accepted way to start out the merge?

Any experienced guidance would be appreciated waterfox1 19:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Remove the /. The articles will be called simply "Cold War Radiation Legacies" etc. Wikipedia articles are a 'flat structure' - the subdivision/subtopics is implicit; the intent is to create a theoretical structure with a 'top-level article' pointing to sub-articles, but that structure is merely created by the links you make. Other articles may well link in to the "sub" articles directly, and they will link out to others. There is no hierarchical structure. Article titles describe the topic, nothing more, nothing less - no "/".

• Yes, your idea for linking using the {{main}} is perfect. Note that the main template should appear right at the beginning of a section, directly under the heading - e.g.

== Legacy
{{main|Cold War Legacies}}
...summary paragraphs here, summarizing the content of the 'cold war legacies' article'

Hope this answers; please feel free to ask for more clarification, it's not the easiest of topics. The articles are looking good though - interesting stuff.  Chzz  ►  21:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Help Me}} Everything went well except that the six substantive articles Cold War Radiation Legacies, Cold War Nuclear Legacies, etc., have disappeared! The main article links have at least temporarily taken hold up to Cold War Legacies, but the sections that previously had a / are not -- at least now -- visible.

waterfox1 16:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I should add that those six articles contain the vast bulk of content that I am adding to Wikipedia; everything at higher level was simply an introduction to the six substantive articles. waterfox1 17:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question. I still see your content at User:Waterfox1/Cold War Legacies/Cold War Nuclear Legacies. Is this what you were referring to? --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 19:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I see that one article there, but it -- along with five other articles (Cold War Nuclear Legacies, Cold War Military Legacies, Cold War Security Legacies, Cold War Institutional Legacies, and Cold War Economic Legacies) were supposed to transferred to the main space so they would be linked to the article title "Cold War Legacies." I thought I had followed Chazz's instructions properly, but apparently not. Your help would be appreciated to install these linked articles. It is well outside my experience level; I have enough difficulty just trying to figure out how to ask for help. waterfox1 17:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Help Me}} It seems like my request for help has fallen in the cracks. I'm worried that what I had in mind is getting all bolexed up. I had intended to add six subarticles to the Legacy section of Cold War; however, in following previous suggestions it seems to have gone awry. In fact, I don't even see what I added to the Legacy section as links to be there any longer.

Basically, I have written 6 long articles as mentioned above, following prior discussions I have attempted to move and link them with the following heirarchy intended:

Cold War

Legacy

Cold War Legacies

Cold War Radiation Legacies

Cold War Nuclear Legacies

etc (for four more articles as mentioned above.

The article Cold War Legacies is OK, except that its "Further information" links are missing. Each topic has a brief summary, but the Further information in red is supposed to link to the original articles that were in my sandbox and previously preceded by a slash, which I removed as advised.

Someone please help a neophyte out, especially before several months of writing and editing disappears. Right now, I have no idea where the six big articles are, and nothing seems to linked as planned. The topic Cold War Legacies was intended to be directly accessed from Legacy and not as a "see-also" article placed at the end of Cold War. I hope someone can sort this out as it is not being posted like it was intended. waterfox1 (talk) 00:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

You need to move the pages as well. They are still at User:Waterfox1/Cold War Legacies/Cold War Radiation Legacies and User:Waterfox1/Cold War Legacies/Cold War Nuclear Legacies  fetchcomms☛ 00:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

{{Help Me}} The problem is not resolved. If you look further and follow the links, you will see that only the summaries for each topic are there, but the main articles (for further information) are highlighted in red, (such as Cold War Military Legacies); they do not link to what were the original long main articles for each of the six topics. waterfox1 (talk) 17:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

You have to manually move the pages into the mainspace first.  fetchcomms☛ 17:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, now I see that the first two of the six articles have appeared and are being edited by the community. Maybe in my fledgling state, I am unaware of how the process works, and should be patient for the other articles to appear? I'd be relieved if someone would clue me in. waterfox1 (talk) 20:48, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

How references work

Simple references

These require two parts;

a)

Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>

b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";

== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Waterfox1/reftest and try it out.

Named references

Chzz was born in 1837, <ref name="MyBook">
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> in Footown.<ref name="MyBook"/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Your signature

Hello, it appears you are using a custom signature. To assist others, it is generally preferred that your signature include a link to your user or talk page (the default signature uses both). Currently there is no link. Could you please correct this to assist other users that may need to get in contact with you? Thanks. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 19:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I unchecked the box for custom signature, which I think is what you are suggesting. Let me know if that works. waterfox1 (talk) 18:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)