User talk:CT Cooper

Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment

Hey CT Cooper - this is to notify you that there is a discussion starting on the Article Feedback RfC talkpage that has ramifications for the RfC itself. Your input is much appreciated :). Thanks! and apologies if I've missed anyone Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. CT Cooper · talk 21:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Education

Hello I was wondering if you could review this page for me Bedminster Down School and say what quality on the quality scale you think it is. Stub/Start/C ect thank you Mark999 (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I will give it a full assessment some time today. CT Cooper · talk 13:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the assessment I have been using Bedminster Down School more as a test article and ultimately a template to try and improve the quality of all UK school articles. Rather than having a load of one line articles which don't provide much or any useful information or any purpose. Mark999 (talk) 02:45, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

That's a noble goal. The more good quality school article there are, the less unproductive drama over school article notability will occur. CT Cooper · talk 03:33, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

2013 ESC

Hey, I do disagree with you there precisely as I see the reader's priority from my point of view & wanted to let you know I detailed on the talk page as well as introducing a bits about myself. Of-course I thought the lack of paragraphs seperation is more of a trend, if I would have thought it will be disagreed I would talk about it first, just to make clear.

I'm also not a native English speaker so I don't know how common the expression "take it to the talk page" in discussions. But it sounds a bit agressive, it would be more nice to read "please discuss it on the talk page". It's just sounds a bit like "let's take it outside" when people wanna battle. You know what I mean? Anyway, if it's common & I didn't understand right, than sorry. :-)

Also, thanks for not pushing the automatic "restore button", for noticing the other arrangement & just unified the paragraphs, as the subject you disagree about. Greets, אומנות (talk) 12:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I have responded at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2013 - first thank you for actually taking it to the talk page, as a lot of editors won't. In the meantime, I'm afraid I have now entirely reverted the changes as there are a good number of problems with them which need to be resolved, and changes to the lead of that nature need a good consensus and should be rolled out consistently across all articles of this nature. Please don't take this revert the wrong way - it is normal practice as set out in the Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss cycle.

In answer to your question, the short answer is that you misunderstood what I was saying.

The long answer is that the expression "take it to the talk page" is rather common on the English Wikipedia. It has the same meaning as "Please can we discuss this subject on the talk page?", the only differences being that it is informal rather than formal, with informal being the norm in discussions on the English Wikipedia, and it takes up less space (which is important in edit summaries). "Let's take it outside" is also common informal expression, but its meaning is entirely dependent on what "it" refers to and so isn't necessarily aggressive - it could be the informal equivalent of "Can you please help me move this object outside?" or "Could we please continue this discussion outside?" for incidence.

There is no need for apology though; I understand you are not a native speaker. As someone trying to learn a second language myself, I understand that informal language can be easily misunderstood, as the subtleties of a language take a very long time to grasp completely - that said, I think your English is very good on the whole, being at least level three on the babel scale. CT Cooper · talk

Hi, thanks for your detailed reply as well & for explaining the phrases & way of adressing people. Yes, my English is high level, I studied & listened to it a lot since little age & lived in USA for few months without any problems to communicate. Still, I wanted to adress this issue as non-native speaker so you know I'm not blaming you for anything, but just wondering about the way of adressing people over Wikipedia. I just wanted to make sure you weren't respnding angrily or something, & thanks to you I did learn more about communication & concensus on English Wikipedia. Speaking of concensus, I understand it as a factor in reverting also my arrangements & I'm not taking it the wrong way. :) I will reply now also on the ESC talk page for some issues you mentioned there. אומנות (talk) 13:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, It's Important for me to explain here that I read your claims carefully, also Wesley's. With that I also had some more thoughts I had to share & propose, as well as mentioning other things in recent ESC articles that have consencus flaws for my taste (apart from older ESC articles we discussed before). Istill felt some misunderstanding of my things from your side as well.

I also added some explanations regarding the ESC definition . Maybe I will open a sandbox with all my edits of the subject so you & others can take things from it in case you see something that feats, as it will give me a chance to show my way of layout that I still can't fully express via the discussion page.

Most important, I wanted to say I still felt need to share & express from my side. I set for some hours trying to reduce & shape my comment on the discussion page to reduce it's size as I could. So I wanted to clarify these so it won't look like I'm forsing my opinions & try to "explode" the discussion page-kilobites on purpose. Thanks again for your attention. אומנות (talk) 22:34, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I see. I have responded. CT Cooper · talk 23:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I replied. My bottom line here & there - thanks for your time & explanations. Greets. אומנות (talk) 01:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. I have left another response plus a suggestion. CT Cooper · talk 03:30, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Doubts and suspicions

Hi Cooper,

I'm having doubts and suspicions after reading and participating in a particular thread (you'll have an idea which one I am referring to). I've noted the person has been an editor for a while now, but has suddenly come into the ESC ether all of a sudden and in a pushy manner at that. The tones used remind me of another editor who also behaved in a similar fashion. Anyhow, for now I shall reserve judgement but being cautious at the same time. How's life been treating you anyhow? Not spoken to you for a while. Wesley♦^Mouse 18:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll send you an e-mail. CT Cooper · talk 19:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to check this page after finishing replying on the ESC-Project & I see this. Wesley, I just came to understanding with CT cooper & felt more accepted here & now this. I didn't suddenly come here. I edit this year a lot on Eurovision on the Hebrew Wikipedia as well as editing about places in China & I have many friends on the Hebrew Wikipedia as a respected peacefull person. This year I became more involoved, watched the articles here more as well & decided to express my proposals here. You are making me not trust you to sincerely adress my proposals on the ESC-Project when you compare me to other people that been here before. Don't reflect that on me. & I just now replied on the ESC-project were you can definately see I'm not trying to force my opinions on anyone. אומנות (talk) 21:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)