User talk:Kolja21

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duplicate of field?

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Hi, here the field "Beruf(e)" has twice the same statement. That should be removed, am I right? Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, these are imports or merges. They don't look nice but are no real errors. In this case I can't edit the GND without the loss of exact date of birth: Q124452146#P569. (Information privacy: For living persons, only the year is permitted.) I hope a bot will do I vaguely remember that a bot does a clean up once a while. BTW: Why did you create Alexander K. Swoboda (Q129271284) with the same ID? --Kolja21 (talk) Kolja21 (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Strangely, Q124452146 shows an  error message. For Q129271284 the message is missing. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH): I have merged the two items into Alexander K. Swoboda (Q124452146); the form "Alexandre Swoboda" seems just a mistake for "Alexander Swoboda" on the page of the Geneva Graduate Institute. Epìdosis 17:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alonso Messia

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/174138067 = Alonso Messia Bedoya (Q2650569): Peruvian Jesuit (1655-1732) requires some fixes, in fact the data in "Weitere Angaben" are correct and contradict the data in the fields above: the birth date is 1655 not 1685 and he was a Jesuit not a Capuchin (so "Mönch" and "Kappuziner" are both wrong). Thanks! --Epìdosis 15:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done GND revised. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jesuit monks

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Gotthard Lihnie

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Gotthard Lihnie (Q94578644) = https://d-nb.info/gnd/1033528463 Piarists are regular clerics, not monks; he was "Director der Normalschule zu Freudenthal" (BLKÖ) so a teacher occupation would be valid. --Epìdosis 07:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done +1. WBIS classification "Members of a Religious Order". Monk was a free interpretation. --Kolja21 (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Augustinian monks

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Augustinians (Augustinians (Q214528)) are friar (Q548320) and not monk (Q733786), since the Order has been created in 1244 as mendicant order (cf. https://gcatholic.org/orders/types.htm and https://www.agostiniani.it/storia-cultura/istituzione-dellordine/; the use of expressions like "Augustinian monk", "Augustinermönch" or "monaco agostiniano" is in fact widespread, but it is technically mistaken - probably induced by the fact that Augustinian friars follow the rule of St. Augustine, like the Benedictine monks follow the rule of St. Benedict); so again some GNDs should substitute "Mönch" with "Geistlich" (I don't see a GND for "Bruder"/"Ordernsbruder", which would be the most precise option)

Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 11:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can offer GND 4166472-3 (Laienbruder) = lay brother (Q135450): non-ordained male member of a Roman Catholic religious institute. This term is used by German libraries as a quasi-synonym for friar (Q548320). Would that be ok? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is good for members of secular orders (e.g. members of Third Order Regular of St. Francis of Penance (Q13612088)), but not for these persons, who were members of non-secular orders. In Wikidata correctly lay brother (Q135450)subclass of (P279)friar (Q548320), because in fact not all friars ("brothers") are lay brothers. Epìdosis 18:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then I will add "Ordensbruder", the most precise option like you said. The occupation does not have to be linked (it's optional). --Kolja21 (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donald L. Wallenfang

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Donald L. Wallenfang (Q113730514) has two GNDs, one of them stating he is a monk, which is obviously impossible since he is member of a secular order. Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interim question: The German translation for the Secular Order of Discalced Carmelites (OCDS) is Unbeschuhte Karmeliten = Order of the Brothers Discalced of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel (Q1135659) (OCD). A GND for OCDS is missing. "Säkularer Orden der Unbeschuhten Karmeliten" does not seem to be in use. Can you suggest a translation? --Kolja21 (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Weltlicher Orden/Laienorden der Unbeschuhten Karmeliten (from https://www.teresianische-karmel-gemeinschaft.de/images/dokumente/konstitutionen.pdf). Epìdosis 12:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also in https://bistum-augsburg.de/Gottgeweihtes-Leben/Geistliche-Gemeinschaften/Kontakt: "Laienorden der Unbeschuhten Karmeliten". Epìdosis 12:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Laienorden der Unbeschuhten Karmeliten" seems to be the description. After reading the texts I guess the German lable of Q3076354 should be Teresianische Karmel-Gemeinschaft (TKG) mentioned in de:Dritter Orden. Or is there a difference between OCDS and TKG? --Kolja21 (talk) 12:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the identification TKG = OCDS. Epìdosis 13:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done GND revised & duplicate reported. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Franciscan monks

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Franciscans are friars and not monks; here a list of Mönch to be removed:

(others coming probably tomorrow). Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valentin Stephan Still

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Also Minims (Order of the Minims (Q1367736)) are friars and not monks, so Valentin Stephan Still (Q2508483) = https://d-nb.info/gnd/120652552 needs the usual fix. Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Sorry, same technical problem as above. I can't edit this file. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poor layout

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Hi, while updating Riccardo Bocco (Q112537209) I noticed that in the GND entry there is a poor layout in Beruf(e): Politologe and Kulturanthropologe are combined on the same row. Not a real mistake, but just FYI. Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 14:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it's the poor layout of the current DNB catalogue. A new version is in progress. If you check OGND you'll see that two occupations are marked as "characteristic" (charakteristisch). --Kolja21 (talk) 15:15, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander von Reitzenstein

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Are we sure that Alexander von Reitzenstein (Q95763244): no description isn't Alexander von Reitzenstein (Q1524268): German art historian (1904-1986), right? Name and profession are perfectly compatible, the chronology (first born 1904, second fl. 1922) is not impossible. Thanks, --Epìdosis 18:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18 years would be a bit young for the owner of an art studio in Berlin (another match). But since the only source is Kalliope I suspect they are identical. I've add said to be the same as (P460). --Kolja21 (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: It's also possible that the letters have been signed "A. von Reitzenstein" and the archive made a guess or there is an other error. I would only merge the two items after someone has taken a look at the source. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ion Oprea

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/1161422293 was enriched with information coming from the ro.wikipedia article about Ion N. Oprea (Q12730921): Romanian journalist (1932-) but it was a wrong choice, since ro.wikipedia is about "Ion N. Oprea" whilst the GND is about "Ion M. Oprea", for which I have now created Ion M. Oprea (Q129860036): Romanian historian; https://books.google.it/books?id=Ng7wAAAAMAAJ (1982) at p. 418 describes him as "chercheur scientifique principal à l'Institut d'histoire «Nicolae Iorga», Bucarest"; https://books.google.it/books?id=v_MnAQAAMAAJ (1967) at p. 794 describes him as "doctor în istorie, cercetător principal la Institutul de studii istorice şi social-politice de pe lîngă C. C. al P. C. R.". The mistake of GND has already spread to LC and J9U (@Geagea:: http://olduli.nli.org.il/F/?func=find-b&local_base=NLX10&find_code=UID&request=987007274076105171 should edit "Journalists" into "Historians" and remove the birth date 1932). Thanks! --Epìdosis 21:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done No idea who enriched the wrong information since GND 1161422293 (DE-12) is only connected with books of the historian. I've corrected the error and will create a new GND for the journalist. Thanks for letting me know. Kolja21 (talk) 21:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ante Starčević

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https://gateway-bayern.de/BV023313326 is an evident misuse of https://d-nb.info/gnd/119559013: the book is clearly not about the famous Ante Starčević (Q571619): Croatian politician, writer and "Father of Croatian homeland" (1823-1896), but about Ante Starčević (Q12627028): Croatian sculptor, painter, mosaic maker, writer (1933-2007), who has presently no GND. Thanks! --Epìdosis 09:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done I've created GND 1340318822 for the sculptor. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Epìdosis: B3Kat is already using the new ID. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerardus de Bononia

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I don't understand who https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089716087 is and https://prometheus.lmu.de/gnd/1089716087 gives me no hint; any idea? --Epìdosis 13:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GND 1089716087 (CH-BaUGNV‏) = created by a Swiss Library. You'll find the literature in Swisscovery:
So it's a duplicate for Gerard of Bologna (Q5550211): Italian theologian and saint. Correct? --Kolja21 (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly correct; I thought it was a duplicate of this one but I wasn't able to prove it. Epìdosis 16:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salvatore Nicolosi

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Hi! I have just finished cleaning as much as possible the greatly problematic group of homonyms Salvatore Nicolosi in SBN (visible I think next Monday) and Wikidata; the attributions of work were very much confuse in SBN, and are similarly confuse abroad. The main problem is that abroad many many works of philosophy and Church history have been wrongly attributed to Salvatore Nicolosi (Q124464): Italian Roman-Catholic bishop (1922-2014), who in fact wrote only very very few works on clearly Christian themes (the ones that you see presently attributed to him in SBN), present only in Italian libraries, and nothing of philosophy and Church history; all the works of philosophy and Church history belong in fact to the much less known and contemporary, and likewise priest (!), Salvatore Nicolosi (Q130005400): Italian priest and philosophy historian (1923-2012).

So e.g. looking thorugh https://prometheus.lmu.de/gnd/1060418894 to the works attributed to the first one in K10PLUS (presently 40 ones), they are all by the second, with just 3 exceptions: the 3 books published in Catania by the publisher Tringale (L'aldilà, Sicilia contro Italia, L'imperio del mitra - to be fixed, "impero" not "imperio") are by an important journalist (Salvatore Nicolosi (Q130009729): Italian journalist and writer. https://gateway-bayern.de/BV008824865 is also by the second. In Ixtheo all publications by the second.

If you have any doubt on attributions you can ask me; anyway you can use SBN once my fixes will be visible. Thanks in advance! --Epìdosis 18:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've started with GND 1340437015 for the philosophy historian and will wait till I can use the data from SBN/ICCU. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done All together three new GNDs created. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valente

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Hi! https://swb.boss.bsz-bw.de/Record/(DE-627)1856150259?sid=15417080 is a clear misuse of https://d-nb.info/gnd/1116641305: the article was published in 1930 when Gaetano Valente (Q3757147): Italian priest and historian (1919-2013) was 11 years old; in fact I saw the table of contents of the issue containing the article through Google Books and the article is by G. B. Valente, who is clearly Giambattista Valente (Q98907206): Italian trade unionist, journalist and sociologist (1872-1944). Thanks! --Epìdosis 16:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done I've created GND 1340650428 (Gaetano Valente) and GND 1340650444 (Giambattista Valente) for the namesakes. Do you have contact to Tübingen (IxTheo)? I remember that they fix errors quickly. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great. @Bargioni: let's try: we should report to Ixtheo that https://ixtheo.de/Record/1856150259?sid=117800530 needs to be reattributed to https://d-nb.info/gnd/1340650444 (who was wrongly confused with https://d-nb.info/gnd/1116641305). Epìdosis 07:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dino Gentili

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https://gateway-bayern.de/BV039956254 (2010) is an evident misuse of https://d-nb.info/gnd/119287153 = Dino Gentili (Q55228097): Italian politician and publisher (1901-1984), died 1984; it should be Dino Gentili (Q130215502): Italian screenwriter and director. Thanks! --Epìdosis 17:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done I've created GND 1340722178. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giuseppe Picotti

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http://cbsopac.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=100720196 (same issue also in HBZ) is a clear misuse of https://d-nb.info/gnd/1037561988 - the author is Giuseppe Picotti (Q130218407): Italian pharmacist and local historian (my edited SBN will be visible today or tomorrow I guess). Thanks, --Epìdosis 09:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll wait for SBN/ICCU. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Epìdosis: Still no biographical info at SBN/ICCU. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, since I made the edit early on September 2 (Monday), the update of September 2 didn't include my edit - my edits were probably a few hours late to be included; so they will become visible at the update of September 9 (Monday), which will happen either on September 9 or 10. Epìdosis 16:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done I've created GND 1341577848 for the local historian. Kolja21 (talk) 16:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valentina Moscon

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http://cbsopac.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=46086145X is obviously not by a jurist, so it is a misuse of https://d-nb.info/gnd/1143843983 = Valentina Moscon (Q106437246): Italian jurist; it should be Valentina Moscon (Q61957970): Italian illustrator (1991-) instead. Thanks! --Epìdosis 19:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Good to know. I've created GND 1340884321. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bazzano

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A little question about a place: https://d-nb.info/gnd/4298136-0 is not very clear, in Italy at least 3 places are named Bazzano but I cannot understand which of these is represented here, although the most probable option is Bazzano (Q94548): settlement in the Italian municipality of Valsamoggia. Can you help me? Thanks! --Epìdosis 07:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GND 4298136-0 was created by DE-12 (BSB München) and is used for:
As long as the data set is not supplemented I would use it for "the most probable option". @Wurgl: You're the expert for geographical place names. What do you think? --Kolja21 (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the titles it seems to be used for all the 3 Bazzano I had in mind:
Problematic :( Epìdosis 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say Bazzano (Q94548): settlement in the Italian municipality of Valsamoggia too. Looking at OGND and then click on "untergeordnete GND-Sätze" (subordinate Data sets) I see three museum and all three are in that area. --Wurgl (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your feedback. @Epìdosis: There are more problematic cases like that. One day GND 4298136-0 will be supplemented but we can't force it. (We can only correct persons and corporate bodies.) --Kolja21 (talk) 21:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adolf Čejchan

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/126253358 = Adolf Čejchan (Q95152272): Czech photographer (1930-2023) per Ústí nad Labem mladýma očima which is a photobook; however, BVB connects to it both the photobook (https://gateway-bayern.de/BV048468286) and two entomology works (https://gateway-bayern.de/BV019244247 + https://gateway-bayern.de/BV013765828) which are clearly by the homonym Adolf Čejchan (Q95182895): Czech entomologist (1930-). Thanks! --Epìdosis 14:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done I've created a GND for the entomologist and add the place of birth for both person. Kolja21 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silvia Haia Antonucci

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Silvia Haia Antonucci (Q113793036): Italian archivist (1969-) was born in 1969; https://d-nb.info/gnd/141043318 says 1943 clearly misinterpreting LoC. Thanks! --Epìdosis 14:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Doing… I'm travelling right now and have no access to my regular account. Kolja22 (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giovanni Donna d'Oldenico

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/121420385X cites BNI as source for "Wirkungsdaten: 1956-2006" but these dates are surely wrong (either BNI was wrong, or - more probably - BNI is used for the OPAC SBN, which contained a conflation I have solved today): there are two distinct persons, Giovanni Donna d'Oldenico (Q130305519): Italian historian (1908-1982) and Giovanni Donna d'Oldenico (Q130305520): Italian physician and writer (1959-); the bibliographic records I see through https://prometheus.lmu.de/gnd/121420385X are of the first one, the second only wrote literary works and they seem to be absent in Germany Austria Switzerland (at least using KVK I don't find them). My edits in SBN will be visible on Tuesday as usual (probably next week). Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 08:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matteo Napoli

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In https://opac.k10plus.de/DB=2.299/PPNSET?PPN=1442155116&PRS=HOL&INDEXSET=21 "Napolitano, Matteo Luigi" https://d-nb.info/gnd/140746145 is an obvious mistake for "Napoli, Matteo" https://d-nb.info/gnd/1114926558. Thanks! --Epìdosis 10:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karl / Georg Heinrich von Berenhorst

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Hello,
https://d-nb.info/gnd/116129107 is about a Karl von Berenhorst born in 1845.
http://data.deutsche-biographie.de/Person/sfz49046 is about a Georg Heinrich von Berenhorst born in 1733.
Yet, they are said to be the same (see <rdfs:seeAlso rdf:resource="http://d-nb.info/gnd/116129107"/>).
The correct gnd id is 118509292.
Can you help fix this ? Thank you Melderick (talk) 14:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've never seen an error like this:
I can't fix the error since the GNDs are correct. Kolja22 (talk) 14:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I've marked Q94788569#P7902 as conflation. Kolja22 (talk) 15:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I made him a son of Adolf Leopold Heinrich von Berenhorst (Q89680998) as found in https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_von_Berenhorst Melderick (talk) 16:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pietro De Angelis

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I have spent the last hour cleaning these homonyms in SBN. I have noticed that all the bibliographic records that are presently attributed to https://d-nb.info/gnd/1033814474 (= Pietro De Angelis (Q126265269): Italian priest and missionary (1916-1992)) according to Prometheus are surely to be attributed to https://d-nb.info/gnd/1117734900 (= Pietro De Angelis (Q98917300): Italian librarian (1885-1968)). Thanks! --Epìdosis 07:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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