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Genabab

Genabab is warned to avoid edit warring, that 1RR and 3RR are not allowances, to verify the quality and reliability of sources they are using in contentious articles, and that information simply being verifiable does not mean that it is due. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Genabab

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Viewsridge (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Genabab (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:CT/A-I

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

28 September Unsubstantiated claim added
2 October Unsubstantiated claim re-added after being reverted
2 October Another unsubstantiated claim added to another article
2 October Deprecated source used for citing the claim
2 October Unsubstantiated claim added to the article after being removed from infobox

User is aware of sanctions on this topic User talk:Genabab#Introduction to contentious topics

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

User Genabab is constantly adding unsubstantiated Iranian, Hezbollah and Hamas propaganda to articles involving Arab-Israeli conflict. Often citing deprecated sources[1] and edit warring once they are reverted. The material they are adding is completely fabricated claims, for example, Hezbollah having claimed killing 2,000 Israeli soldiers[2] while the real tally is 25, as well as adding claims such as Iran's missile attack on Israel destroying 20 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II aircraft.[3] Other edits include changing results of battles in infoboxes from Israeli victory to Hezbollah victories,[4] as well as removing Hezbollah from the list of atrocities committed by the group.[5] Viewsridge (talk) 16:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Genabab

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Statement by Genabab

I am not familiar with how Arbitration requests work, but assuming that I have a right to reply, I will give mine now.

On the unsubstantiated claim on the 28th of september, this is a false application of the term. I have made it clear (and sought consensus for this before on that same page) on the inclusion of the Hezbollah claim that 2,000+ casualties were inflicted on Israel. From the start, I was very much happy to accept the fact that these claims were likely false. But, this is not an issue so long as it states that these are Hezbollah's claims. And I believe it is difficult to argue that Hezbollah did *not* claim that they inflicted casualties on Israel in the range of 2,000. Part of the reason why I believe this makes sense is that a similar principle is followed on the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip page. Where Hamas' claims of IDF casualties are also included. Which is 1,600+. I would assume Viewsridge would believe these figures are not accurate, and they have a right to do that. But I do not see why we ought to include one and not the other.

On the 2nd unsubstantiated claim from earlier today. The same principle applies here for the . Did Iran actually destroy 20 F-35s? probably not. Did they claim they did? Yes. Hence it is substantiated. There may be concerns that citing it in this way gives the impression that these things are certainly true. However, taking note of that, I added a part that states Iranian claim which thereby demonstrates to any reader there is a conflict of interest at play.

For al-Mayadeen. I am well aware that it is depreciated. However, in my edit summary I gave a reason as to why I believe it makes sense to cite it here. It is still the same principle, but I will repeat it in a summary. Essentially, the phrasing of the edit was to get across what Iran claims. And al-Mayadeen, while unreliable in many respects, is certainly not unreliable in getting across what the Islamic Republic claims and believes. In the talk page I made a point of this.

The concluding remarks made here, well they are a repeat of the points I already responded to. But I will take special notice of:

`1. "changing results of battles in infoboxes from Israeli victory to Hezbollah victories". I assume Viewsridge here means Palestinian and not hezbollah. While it is true that I changed this, it was only after I had made a talk post giving my view on why it should be changed. For several days no reply came, and so I made the edit with the expectation that someone would notice, revert and then it could be discussed.

2. "as well as removing Hezbollah from the list of atrocities committed by the group" This is the silliest claim here. The long short of it is, I removed the mention of Hezbollah from that massacre, because the sources that the page used did not mention Hezbollah at all. Genabab (talk) 16:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am still not entirely sure how much I am allowed to say, but I will briefly respond to this as well.

[38]: False. In the relevant area the source says: "Under Avakov’s protection, she says, Azov has been able to expand its operations and act with impunity.[...] But at Cossack House, this isn’t the image Azov wants to paint of itself. " This links the two together enough to be able to make that edit.

[39]: this is a bold one. I will quote from the nation article directly: "In January 2018, Azov rolled out its National Druzhina street patrol unit [...] The Druzhina quickly distinguished itself by carrying out pogroms against the Roma..." Unless I have misread the linked edit and ManyAreas is reffering to a separate edit I made, I do not know why they included this.

[40]: this was a mistake. I did not realise it was citing Russia times and did not contest the removal. Merely inquired why it was removed.

[42]: No comment. But I do for [43]. As indicated by the talk message, I assumed that we had come to a consensus/agreement. Perhaps I should not have been so naive...

[44]: see edit summary for why

[46]: An especially bizarre inclusion. I do not see why one would bother. Basically, I made an edit. Lute88 objected to the citation of Feffer but deleted the whole thing, so I re-added the edit minus Feffer. Not an edit war.

[47]: this was because ManyAreas appeared to me to be citing something that did not appear in the source he was using. Which was partially true but mostly not.

I do not see how that relates to "barely related sources" or counts as excessive.

And the point of "rejected arguments" is an odd one as it comes after me basically just having a disagreement with ManyAreas' disagreement with my argument. I don't believe there is any policy on Wikipedia that says you have to uncritically accept another user's argument after a set number of replies but that's neither here nor there. Genabab (talk) 18:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)Moved to own section; please comment only in this section. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the issue of the 2,000+ casualties, there is a further consideration which I had forgot to mention. before viewsridge had disputed it, it was kinda in consensus before. i.e.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)/Archive_1#h-2,000_Israeli_casualties_according_to_Hezbollah-20240108194700

furthermore, considering the "mainstream subjects to the extent that they are rarely if ever included by reliable sources on those subjects." the source cited was NbC which is a reliable source. so that should account for that point Genabab (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by ManyAreasExpert

Similar edits can be observed in Russia-related articles.

[6] [7] the editor added Azov and Azov affiliated groups while sources only say Azov affiliated groups
[8] adding "bignewsnetwork" reposting RT - russian propaganda source, again [9] after the warning
[10] [11] returning their edits with edit war
[12] [13] [14] [15] returning their edits with edit war

Editor's discussion style is to argue their point with excessive stream of barely related sources or sources which do not support their point Talk:Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine#c-Manyareasexpert-20240918081600-Genabab-20240917213600 , raising rejected arguments again and again Talk:Azov Brigade#c-Manyareasexpert-20240917204600-Genabab-20240917193100 . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 17:54, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by The Kip

Not an admin, but feel like I can shine some light here, going point-by-point:

1 and 2: While Hezbollah themselves are a primary source and therefore not exactly considered a WP:RS for such a contentious topic, consider how we treat battles in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - I don't see a problem with inclusion of this claim, so long as it is clearly attributed to Hezbollah, rather than in Wikivoice. See Siege of Mariupol, where we clearly denote "Per Ukraine/Per Russia," instead of just an objective listing of casualties. Casualties only go in Wikivoice if multiple RSes use them in their own voice.
3. Bulgarianmilitary.com doesn't exactly come off as an RS. This should not have been used for a potentially-contentious claim.
4 and 5: Al Mayadeen is a deprecated source per WP:RSP, and should not be used at all.

Regarding some of the other things brought up:

The ISW withdrawal ––> victory bit is questionable, given there's an ongoing discussion at WP:RSN whether they're an RS or not.
The removed Guardian source on Darayya doesn't mention Hezbollah, but other RSes in the article do, so this is more careless than malevolent - Genabab was technically correct in removing that source, but should've replaced it rather than removed it entirely.
The Azov thing is just outright careless editing.
The use of a reposted RT article is questionable.
The edit-warring is a genuine issue that should be examined.

In total, some of this case is a bit overstated/overdramatized, but there's also genuine concerns with Genabab's editing tendencies. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, @Genabab, make sure to only respond in your own section. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Swatjester Valid points, I’d forgotten to consider WP:DUE. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Swatjester

I have no opinion on most of this dispute but want to comment as to @The Kip:'s suggestion about attribution on the Hezbollah claim. Fringe views are properly excluded from articles on mainstream subjects to the extent that they are rarely if ever included by reliable sources on those subjects. Attributing the fringe content doesn't make it any more appropriate for inclusion if no reliable sources are stating any basis for the claim. That's the distinction here between Hezbollah's absurd and obviously baseless claim (the attack certainly did not cause a casualty count twice that of the 10/7 attacks) and a more traditional dispute over casualty figures. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TylerBurden

I think this editor has shown some signs of WP:TENDENTIOUS editing within WP:RUSUKR, as ManyAreasExpert indicated. Seeing them insisting on adding what can only be described as obvious propaganda in another CT is therefore not all that surprising. Genabab seems to think it is more important to present ″both sides″ than to follow WP:DUE, and I don't think attribution excuses that, because it still adds bogus to articles with our without it. --TylerBurden (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Genabab

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

So I guess I'm not sure why any unsubstantiated claim is more than trivia in any article simply because it's a claim. Genabab, you said But I do not see why we ought to include one and not the other. Why not simply suggest removing all unsubstantiated claims rather than adding more? Valereee (talk) 20:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, re: whether you are allowed to respond. Yes, you are. You are asked to keep it to 500 words, and right now you're at almost 1000. And from the various diffs I'm seeing, writing really long is a habit of yours. If you could try to be a LOT more concise. Like figure out how to eliminate 90% of the words. It takes longer to write shorter, but it's a valuable skill here on Wikipedia. Valereee (talk) 20:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the ARBPIA portion, the first two diffs show a content disagreement on sourced material. It was reinserted once, but enforced BRD and consensus required aren't placed on that article. The third diff is more of the same, sourced with a disagreement on including. The sourcing issues in the latter diffs are more concerning. I don't expect everyone to check RSP before using a source, but bulgarianmilitary.com is plainly not suitable for a source. This diff linked appears to be fine, as the source doesn't mention Hezbollah so it would be difficult for it to support their role in the attack. The edit warring to include Golinkin's views is not great, and that should definitely stop. I'm seeing a warning for sourcing and that 1RR/3RR is not an allowance. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will be closing this with sourcing, DUE, and edit warring warnings and a general reminder to consider edits and reverts carefully in the next day or so, absent any objections. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had intended to close it this way over the weekend and just forgot I had intended to do it when I had time. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with SFR, and am concerned to now see behavior like this over two different CTOP areas. I think a warning that just because a claim has been made does not mean the article has to mention it (especially if it's widely discredited), along with selecting proper sources and edit warring, is in order. That said, I would remind other editors to consider edits carefully too—for example, the edit which removed material because the sources did not mention Hezbollah seems valid; they really didn't mention it at all. While I'm not going to go look, I'd be more concerned in that instance about who added the material and didn't represent the sources used accurately. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:56, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kalanishashika

Kalanishashika is indefinitely topic banned from ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka, broadly construed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Kalanishashika

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Petextrodon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Kalanishashika (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:CT/SL

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

25 August 2024 First revert on a 1RR-protected article. User re-added reference to Gordon Weiss.
5 October 2024 User re-added reference to Gordon Weiss after failing to engage in active talk discussion since 2 September 2024‎. This is their usual habit of gaming the system outside the time limit (see additional comments for more details).

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 31 May 2024 (see the system log linked to above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Although the diffs provided above only deal with its latest incarnation, the issue has been long-standing. Since the previous cases of edit warring by this user on the same article were dealt with elsewhere I didn't include them above but I will expand on them here for context. This user who appeared shortly after Tamil genocide article was created seems to be a SPA whose primary engagement has been with that article where their behavior has been disruptive. On 12 June 2024 I reported them to AN3 for 3RR violation but no action was taken although they implied they gamed the system by reverting for the 4th time outside the 24-hour limit and an admin told them as much. Later, after an admin at ANI notified this user that 1RR now applied, this user continued to game the system and reverted for the 5th time outside the designated limit. I highlighted this on 21 June 2024 in an admin's talk page discussion but no action was taken. After being inactive for 2 months, they went back to gaming the system by reverting 1RR protected article outside the 24-hours limit; I notified an admin of this on 27 August 2024 but no action was taken. I did however warn the user that I will file an ARE report if their disruptive behavior persisted. Even after that they have now gone back to flouting guidelines by reverting for the second time without even continuing to engage the active talk discussion that they stopped engaging on 2 September 2024‎. Since I've exhausted all options, I request this committee to solve this issue once and for all.---Petextrodon (talk) 22:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Kalanishashika's reply addressing me:

I gave them two weeks to reply to my comments in the talk discussion but they never did; so I went ahead and re-added my content which by the way they didn't dispute but wanted it to include additional content which I and another user disputed. The right thing to do here once they got back would have been to continue to engage the talk discussion, not re-add a disputed content without even engaging in discussion. They also apologized at the AN3 report last time yet they went back to their disruptive behaviour which doesn't encourage confidence.---Petextrodon (talk) 15:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if I should continue to reply but I would like to address latest reply by this editor.

There's no need to mislead admins when your very last comment in the talk discussion speaks for itself. You suggested we add both content but I and another editor agreed with adding only one. Since you didn't address my response for 2 weeks I thought you had no objections so I went ahead. When you returned you added the whole disputed content completely disregarding even the less contentious feedback of two other editors in the discussion: that a RS doesn't need an excess in-text attribution for merely reporting on verifiable statements of public figures corroborated elsewhere, suggesting that you aren't willing to compromise on even the minor things. Also the line you added "while Weiss stated that the hundreds of thousands of civilians were held hostage by the Tamil Tigers," isn't even supported by the page that you cited[*] and you never gave a proper justification why you even added that in such a way to combine two different issues to imply a conclusion, which would be original research and POV-pushing, another complaint I would like to add here on top of edit warring.

[*] Internet Archive has the book for anyone to check though the site seems down at the moment: https://archive.org/details/cagefightforsril0000weis ---Petextrodon (talk) 15:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Kalanishashika

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Statement by Kalanishashika

@Valereee, thank you for waiting for me. Yes, I am not a daily editor and did not see this till today. I was not ignoring it. Kalanishashika (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that I am surprised by this enforcement request, however then again, I am not, as Petextrodon mentioned this enforcement request is not the first time Petextrodon has attempted to get admins to sanction me. First of all, the content addition in question was done by me after Petextrodon a similar addition two weeks back on 17 September 2024 (content he had introduced on August 2024). This content was discussed in the talk page, however this discussion was going in nowhere so, I took a step back to allow for the things to cool off. However, Petextrodon after two weeks added the disputed content, two weeks later I expanded his edit with additional content in question. I am happy to revert my edit and apologize, however could I ask if Petextrodon's edit on the 17 September 2024 is correct, since I feel that it's the same as mine on 5 October 2024‎. Kalanishashika (talk) 15:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since Petextrodon did mention this, for the record I would like to share the complete discussion User_talk:Aoidh/Archives/2024#Intractable_user and a similar issue was raised by Petextrodon Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive483, in which case both of us were warned not to engaged in edit warring. I feel that I try to abide by the warnings I have received, I am not sure if Petextrodon does. I might be wrong here; I will leave it to the admins to make a call on it and correct me if I have errored. Kalanishashika (talk) 15:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee, when I meant correct, I did not mean content. As I understand the content discussion should take place in the talk page and this is meant for procedure. My question is, is what Petextrodon did (as explained in Petextrodon's reply) correct? Since I followed this same procedure. As I thought it was not a violation in general nor in particular per the warnings issued before. Finaly, I object to Petextrodon claims that the content they added was not in dispute. There was no final conclusion, my sincere attempt to compromise has been presented here as content not in dispute. Which I don't feel correct. Kalanishashika (talk) 13:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Although the edit warring isn't particularly severe, they're an SPA and have continued pushing the same edit, often without discussion. I'm thinking a TBAN at this point as they've already been warned by admins. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems reasonable to me. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SFR, are you thinking TBAN from Tamil genocide or from Sri Lanka? I could see Tamil genocide, broadly construed, which would allow them to maybe learn at unrelated Sri Lankan culture or history, if they're interested primarily in Sri Lanka. Valereee (talk) 16:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with a tban from Tamil genocide, broadly construed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that I'll be closing with that topic ban if no one beats me to it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd hoped this editor would come in here, but they don't seem to be a daily editor so maybe they haven't seen it. Kalanishashika, it would be much better for you to come in here and answer this than to ignore it. Valereee (talk) 21:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for coming in @Kalanishashika. Re: whether Petextedrom's edit is "correct", if you mean correct as to content, we don't get into that here. The only thing we get into here is things like whether an editor has violated a WP:contentious topic restriction. You're new here, so that probably doesn't mean much to you, but for what it's worth at this point, contentious topics are not a good place for brand-new editors to learn policy. There are warning banners at Talk:Tamil genocide, you've been warned about edit-warring and taken to the edit-warring noticeboard, and you've received an alert that you're editing in a contentious topic, so it looks like people have tried to work with you. Valereee (talk) 15:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest a slightly wider TBAN, perhaps from "ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka". I am unimpressed by the slow edit-warring, but even less impressed by the conduct in this discussion. The genocide is arguably a subset of the civil war and ethnic conflict, and I don't think Kalanishashika ought to be editing about those. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is also a-ok by me. Any objections to this broader tban? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather not a Sri Lanka TBAN but have no problems with the ethnic conflict (broadly construed) scope rather than just Tamil genocide. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka is okay with me. Valereee (talk) 21:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ThatBritishAsianDude

ThatBritishAsianDude is indefinitely topic banned from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Hinduism, broadly construed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning ThatBritishAsianDude

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

9 October 2024 Presenting an article of faith as a statement of fact in Wikipedia's voice
8 October 2024 Same as previous.
Lengthy ongoing discussion, in which ThatBritishAsianDude persistently misrepresents multiple sources and bludgeons the discussion.
8 October 2024 Adds content not supported by source (source refers to the city of Ayodhya, not the site of the temple being discussed).
9 October 2024 Defends previous edit, adding some assumptions of bad faith for good measure.
23 September 2024 Edit-warring to remove maintenance tags added in good faith, with an active talk-page discussion [16] (ThatBritishAsianDude isn't the only offender in that discussion, to be clear). Edit is also based on a misconception; consensus isn't needed to add a maintenance tag.
22 September 2024 Edit-warring over the same maintenance tags as in the previous edit.
17 August 2024 As above.
17 August 2024 As above.
17 August 2024 As above.
17 August 2024 Misleading edit-summary used for content removal.
10 August 2024 Adding content not supported by cited sources.
Lengthy slow edit-war over South Asian Canadians, with no attempt to discuss issues on the talk page.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The examples I have given are of the most recent issues; there is a lengthy history of warnings on ThatBritishAsianDude's talk page (please check history), including for mis-leading edit-summaries, poorly sourced content, and, in several instances, edit-warring. They appear to not be taking these seriously, and are being a net-negative in the topic. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My personal view is that Hinduism is theoretically not entirely covered by ARBIPA, but in practice tends to be: unlike ARBPIA, the geographic scope of these sanctions is huge, and the geographic scope of Hinduism more circumscribed than the Abrahamic religions. I do think - for instance - that the ritual practice of a Sri-Lankan Tamil is probably exempt and would need community consensus, but any areas where ThatBritishAsianDude has been a problem would be safely covered (demography of Hindus in Europe and the Americas, for instance, is covered, since those demographics are in large part immigrants from IPA countries). Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: True, and I was aware of that. My point was simply that ARBIPA by itself does not cover all of Hinduism, and I don't know that all of it is covered by the superset of existing CTs; you could of course TBAN from all of Hinduism that intersects with a CT (there are pieces of ARBAP2, for instance). An IPA ban seems simplest to me but of course I'm involved here. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion concerning ThatBritishAsianDude

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Statement by ThatBritishAsianDude

Honestly kind off suprised although this isn't the first time someone comes here based of a disagreement. It seems Vanamonde went all out to include things, I don't see how I broke any rules based of the mentioned recent edits from #1 to 5 and I'd suggest the admin concerning this issue to read that discussion on the talkpage, I did a lot of effort in that particular discussion while getting a lot of pushback from Vanamonde in particular, showing no signs of coming to a consensus. During the discussion I made no edits having learned from past disputes, I only made the edit after the discussion seemed dead and another editor seemed to agree with me.

As for #6 and 7, that discussion is still ongoing with there being many editors disagreeing with the tags added by that particular editor, saying these tags where added in good faith seems to be a word choice to just make me seem worse in this situation. As for #8 to 11, that had again to do with that particular editor, after received warnings I refrained from editing those pages after not feeling like putting in any effort in it anymore. #12 just seems to be Vanamonde's viewpoint since in the discussion following that (I didn't revert it after that), I asked many times where the consensus and these supposed sources came from still not having received clear answers. #13 just isn't right, since I made attempts to discuss it with that particular Editor.

Although this probably isn't the place, I think that Vanamonde has an Ideological bias on Wikipedia, mainly Anti-Hindu and Anti-Indian, I haven't been the only one to have noticed this through the years [17]. It is visible in the edit history and created articles alone. There also seems to be a small group of editors with a similar bias backing each other in related articles. To be clear I am not saying this with bad faith or Ill intent.

As for the contentious topics restriction that was notified, I don't think that is the best example since I got that notification after having only made one edit one that artcicle and i'd like to think I have grown a lot as a editor since then taking breaks when disputes arise or become to much. (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49 I think you took that quote out of context, I don't actually think that now but was suggesting it since mainly Bangladeshi and Indian editors on that page where disagreeing with each other ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 20:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bishonen And adding mythical without sources that mention it isn't ? If you read the discussion you can see that I am not Pro- or Anti-Hindu, I just thought that in this specific instance neutrality should be kept ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 21:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not that familiar with how it works, moved my comments up, might react to other comments but don't plan trying to defend myself against everything, i'd request users to look at the full picture ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 21:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Bluethricecreamman

Was curious about this account and saw this enforcement thread. here is a diff of arbitrary blanking of criticism of an organization associated with hindu nationalism movement.[18]

reason for blanking was suggestion that newspaper url was “not well sourced enough” in the edit summary Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am concerned by many of the diffs above. I am also concerned by the comment, In my opinion South Asian sources in general shouldn't be used here there is to much Recency bias and WP:COI going on here. I find dismissing an entire region of sources when writing about that region to be a problem in and of itself. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also concerned. Will have more to say later. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ThatBritishAsianDude I get what you're saying, but the next line was THe sources from India will obviously exaggerate while those from Bangladesh will do evertything to make it sound as good as possible. which doesn't help matters. I do appreciate you clarifying here your intent and your current perspective. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanamonde93 Sri Lanka is its own contentious topic precisely because ArbCom decided it wasn't within IPA. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks quite clear from Vanamonde's diffs that ThatBritishAsianDude ought not to be editing about Hinduism. The persistent removals of the word "mythical" in articles, (when describing religious myths), and their bludgeoning insistence on removing it as "in bad taste" [sic] in this discussion is particularly egregious. There's a lot of wasting of competent editors' time and patience (which is Wikipedia's foremost resource) in that discussion. All the warnings on ThatBritishAsianDude's talkpage, (consult the page history for those), again by many competent editors, also speak loudly. I propose an indefinite topic ban. Not sure if a ban from Hinduism and Hindu nationalism would suffice (it might give rise to grey-area problems?), or if it needs to be from Indian subjects in general. Anybody? Bishonen | tålk 20:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
When I dive deeper into the diffs, I'll be on the lookout for hints about appropriate scope for a TBAN. Just from their comments here, which respond to the evidence provided with baseless allegations that V93 has an "ideological bias" that is "Anti-Indian", I'm having a hard time imaging a scope narrower than Indian subjects, broadly construed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a simple (perhaps too simple) solution would be to align the scope of a TBAN with that of the CTOP scope from WP:CT/IPA (which is All pages related to India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, broadly construed,) though I'm not sure whether that inherently includes the religious scope to cover Hinduism as opposed to just the anti-nationalist scope. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 02:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've partially blocked ThatBritishAsianDude from Ram Mandir and Talk:Ram Mandir for a week for some of the recent conduct, especially the slow-motion edit-warring in the article and the very recent canvassing at the talk page. I see this as a minimum temporary measure, so please don't construe this as signalling that I think this enough. I considered a site block, but I'd like for them to participate here. If there's any more over-the-line or borderline conduct, I'm likely to block or unilaterally TBAN, though of course I'd love to see what the consensus view is here. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A full ARBIPA ban would be good by me. But Swatjester's point is intriguing: does ARBIPA include Hinduism as such? I think it does. Bishonen | tålk 11:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
I would say that Hinduism wouldn't be covered explicitly, much as Islam and Judaism don't fall under ARBPIA. I would say that an IPA topic ban explicitly including Hinduism would be the ticket. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we can tban Hinduism under the contentious topics but a IPA wouldn't naturally cover it. I support IPA+Hinduism topic ban. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not thrilled with seeing a thread on X used as evidence that Vanamonde has an Ideological bias on Wikipedia, mainly Anti-Hindu and Anti-Indian, I haven't been the only one to have noticed this through the years. That's really troubling. TBAD, you are fairly inexperienced, but even with your limited experience I'd have expected you to understand that the opinion of one person on the internet isn't evidence. You should get more experience and understanding of policy before editing in contentious topics. Valereee (talk) 19:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raskolnikov.Rev

I withdraw this request. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 15:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Raskolnikov.Rev

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: XDanielx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Raskolnikov.Rev (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:PIA4

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Recent incivility:

2024-10-11 "it is frankly absurd to pretend ..."
2024-10-12 "It seems like you're incapable of grasping ... I know it's embarrassing that you presented ..."
2024-10-12 "If you continue with this behavior, I will bring it up in arbitration. And I will revert your latest malicious edit ... do you think people will not bother to click on the links you provide?"
2024-10-09 "Since it's pro-Israel though I doubt you'll take that up ..."
2024-10-07 "PhotogenicScientist does not care about what the lede on the main page says ... this is merely a grasping at straws attempt to keep the padded references ..."
2024-10-03 "PhotogenicScientist quotes people out of context to make it appear they said something they did not say to maliciously edit pages ..."
2024-10-02 "However, that consensus will be implemented now that you decided to pad a side of the controversy that you believe is inherently superior ... be my guest, though I will add to my arbitration case against you"
2024-10-02 (edit) "... your previous desperate attempt at padding it ... consensus that you lost because no one bought your increasingly absurd arguments ... I know you think you're being very clever by desperately trying to find ways to pad the side you believe is superior to the other to violate NPOV, but that's not going to happen."
Date "Stop maliciously re-litigating this section ... Stop making malicious edits ... You will be brought to an arbitration case."
2024-09-30 "This is a bad faith actor who believes they can violate Wiki rules with impunity"
2024-09-30 "Nice try pretending it's just two editors who disagreed ... you bizarrely believe that Intel agencies from the West are inherently unbiased and more trustworthy"

As far as WP:AGF violations go, it doesn't get any clearer than calling multiple users "malicious" or a "bad faith actor", in forums that are not for dispute resolution. Other editors shouldn't have to tolerate such aggression.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

N/A

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Given an alert about contentious topics, on 2024-07-31.
Threatened two editors with arbitration cases (see the quotes above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Raskolnikov.Rev's response seems sincere; I'm optimistic that this might be resolved without necessarily needing formal action. I'm open to just withdrawing this if that's an accepted/encouraged practice? — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 22:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no objection (procedural or otherwise), I'm withdrawing this. Since Raskolnikov.Rev seems to sincerely intend to self-correct, it seems like no formal action is needed at this time. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 15:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024-10-13

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Statement by Raskolnikov.Rev

I believe this is a reasonable complaint to raise, and I will make sure to not use emotive and needlessly abrasive language like that going forward, and always assume good faith. And to the editors who were on the other side of my barbs, I apologize, and I hope going forward we can all collaborate together with mutual respect to improve Wiki.

Here are some more detailed reflections on each cited case:

2024-10-11 "it is frankly absurd to pretend ..."

2024-10-12 "It seems like you're incapable of grasping ... I know it's embarrassing that you presented ..."

Here I was letting my emotions get the better of me, which again I'll make sure to not let happen again. To add some context: in the first case I was not referring to any specific editor, and it was part of a general statement where I cited extensive RS. Still, it was entirely needless to do that, and won't happen again.

Regarding the second one, @XDanielx initiated the language of being incapable of grasping something: "It seems like you haven't fully grasped...", but I shouldn't have mirrored it. That was a mistake that I will not make again.

2024-10-12 "If you continue with this behavior, I will bring it up in arbitration. And I will revert your latest malicious edit ... do you think people will not bother to click on the links you provide?"

Here I am referring to an edit by @XDanielx making an addition to a long-standing consensus text that was contested in Talk and did not have consensus, which they were aware of as they were a participant in said discussion.

Calling it a "malicious edit" however was entirely needless and unproductive. The second part of the quote is referring to a link provided that contains text which @XDanielx said was not contained in it, but again, it was needless and unproductive. I could and should have merely made the case without those remarks.

2024-10-09 "Since it's pro-Israel though I doubt you'll take that up ..."

Here an editor came into my talk to tell me to self-revert after misunderstanding Wikipedia policy concerning 1RR, as they later admitted. Another editor had actually violated it, and I was referring to that, but there was no point in doing that, completely needlessly abrasive. That will not happen again.

5 to 11 are from a lengthy debate where aforementioned editor violated 1RR, and repeatedly violated established consensus. My warnings were an attempt to persuade them to stop doing so, and they were not merely hollow threats, I have been working on a report concerning this editor.

But I realize that it is not constructive to say you are going to make a report about someone, and to refer to their edits as malicious.

If that is indeed the case, then it has to be shown in a report brought to arbitration, without the emotive language, and just the facts of the case.

I hope the admins can see that I invest time and thought into editing, and that my engagement with the various materials, though at times including needless emotionally charged language that I will immediately rectify and ensure will not happen again, is a good faith serious and constructive effort to help improve Wiki.

And I know I have to not only assume, but accept that that is also the case for others.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrevan As I said on the page, I'm glad it was resolved and accepted your apology, and I hope you can also accept mine here. I shouldn't have brought up past issues that weren't pertinent to the case, and also shouldn't have made the other comment as I noted in my statement. Raskolnikov.Rev (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Andrevan

As the respondent on diff 4, I agree that even though I was there making a mistake that I ended up striking and withdrawing, the response I received was hostile and bad faith, and accused me of disruption based on something that was grossly misinterpreted and flatly distorted from December 2023. I wasn't going to open an AE report on that alone but I was troubled by it and I'm glad that xDanielx opened a report so I can comment that yes, it was not an appropriate response to my polite, if completely wrong and mistaken message. Andre🚐 01:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Invaluable22

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Relmcheatham (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Invaluable22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

9 April 2023 Vandalized Dylan Mulvaney's page with wrong pronouns and a plainly bigoted 'reaction' section.
9 April 2023 After the above edit was reverted, they restored it.
9 April 2023 Then restored it a third time. A minute later they recieved the GENSEX warning on their profile.
21 September 2024 After a year of not touching GENSEX topics they edited Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull three times in a row with WP:TEND editing (see additional comment).
21 September 2024 ^ second edit
21 September 2024 ^ third edit
22 September 2024 They then add their POV to the QnA section a few hours after it was reverted (see additional comment).
22 September 2024 Shortly thereafter they post their reasoning on the talk page.
22 September 2024 More explanation.

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 9 April 2023
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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I refer to the edits at KJKM's article as WP:TEND and in violation of GENSEX due to the 22 different topics where that specific edit of 'anti-trans advocate' has been discussed on the talk page [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] and the talk page's QnA [41] which they added to in diff #7 showing they were aware of this prior concensus. Right above the qna segment on the talk page is the arbitration remedies notice. This is my first time utilizing this process, so I apologize for any errors in my understanding or formatting. Relm (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is pretty stale, and this diff presented with the report is reasonable in that we shouldn't be calling someone a neo-Nazi. The misgendering a year and a half ago is bad, but I'm less concerned about the discussion of anti-transgender versus women's rights. Most new editors with ~25 edits probably aren't aware of a history of discussions, the sourcing requirements, etc. With the staleness I'd be more likely to go with a logged warning than a topic ban, but won't stand in the way if others think a topic ban on for an editor this experienced is the right play. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The early diffs are bad but very stale, and the recent ones do not rise to the level of sanctions for me. I am most concerned by this, and would log a warning specifically for the addition of unsourced contentious material. Users are not required to agree with community consensus. They are required to respect it, but I have not yet seen evidence that Invaluable22 has done so. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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