User talk:Rkononenko

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March 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit that you made to the page Kiev has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Please use the sandbox for testing any edits; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing for further information. Thank you. Uncle Dick (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to the page Kiev. Such edits constitute vandalism and are reverted. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Uncle Dick (talk) 17:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ukrainian Internet Exchange

I have nominated Ukrainian Internet Exchange, an article which you have worked on, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainian Internet Exchange and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to address the nominator's concerns but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. DES ^(talk) 20:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Rkononenko. You have new messages at DESiegel's talk page.
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DES ^(talk) 16:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Orphan tag

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from Ukrainian Internet Exchange. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. In this edit you removed an "Orphan" tag, but the article is still linked from only ONE other article. DES ^(talk) 16:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Kyiv / Kiev

@Ev. I have also noticed your compaign to change Kyiv to Kiev everywhere in english Wikipedia. Why are you doing this? Kiev is an archaic spelling of Kyiv which is used now because of long forceful domination of USSR( and thereby Russian language) in Ukraine, which caused many English-speakers to spell Kyiv incorrectly. It seems like you might be a Russian who does this from some personal dislike to everything Ukrainian, and as such ,it is absolutely wrong and dishonorable. Your are causing further continuation of misspelling Kyiv in English speaking Wikipedia, and this is wrong. Concerning all of your arguments, stated above, I totally disagree with your logic. When you change Kyiv to Kiev everywhere, where new articles are written, you bring additional disambiguation. As you see, there is a REDIRECT page from Kyiv to Kiev, so people who click on Kyiv will anyway reach Kiev article, so why changing all of the new article with Kyiv? Let them be, the redirecting from Kyiv to Kiev exists for the sake of getting everyone to the same page, but it's wrong to change all new articles containing Kyiv just because, quating you: My edits, however, do not change a controversial name to another; they change a sometimes obscure name to the one "the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize", and they provide to our readership the benefits of internal consistency within a reference work. If you believe that there should be Kiev spelling in English, write your point of view in Kyiv/talk page and don't change new Kyiv-entry-containing articles. Rkononenko (talk) 19:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Rkononenko. My edits' only intention is to bring our articles into compliance with the content policies of the English-language Wikipedia (in this case, mainly Wikipedia:Article titles & Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), which indicate that all articles mentioning the Ukrainian capital should use the same form used as title in the article on the city itself - i.e. Kiev). — If you have any doubts regarding these policies, I will be happy to clarify them.

In any case, far from being archaic, the form Kiev continues to be the one commonly used in English-language publications, and thus the one our articles should use (in accordance to the above mentioned policies). See the last proposal to use the form Kyiv. — If, at some point in the future, the form Kyiv replaces the form Kiev as the one the greatest number of English-speakers would most easily recognize, our articles will reflect that shift in usage. Not before. — But the proper place to discuss this issue is at Talk:Kiev/naming. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 20:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

Re: Kharkiv - please be aware that many English readers are only familiar with the name Kharkov, and it should be clear to them when they search that they have arrived on the correct page. Please also be aware of the three-revert rule WP:3RR, and obtain a consensus on the talk page before reverting. Many thanks, Knepflerle (talk)

I am well aware of our article titling policies, I had quite a lot to do with writing them!

Have a look at WP:NCGN#General guidelines, clause 2:

The lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses:...

Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted and should be listed in alphabetic order of their respective languages

For this reason we include Kharkov in the lead of the Kharkiv article.

As for when you said "should use the same form used as title in the article on the city itself": this is precisely why we use the spelling Kiev in the Kharkov article. Kiev is still the most common spelling used in English, and used as the title of that article (Kiev).

You also wrote "it only matters what is the correct way of writing it in standard British/American/Candadian/Astralian English now"; unlike many languages there is no official body deciding what is and isn't "correct" English. Therefore, we follow what English people actually use. Even today, books are still published in English using Kharkov (see here); Kharkiv is used more often, which is why it is the title of the page, but we still mention Kharkov to help our readers.

And please stop reverting the article text; 3RR is not a guideline, but a hard-and-fast rule, and you will end up being blocked for violating it if you continue. It's not worth it - discuss first, and when we all agree then we can change the text. There's no rush.

Knepflerle (talk) 13:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Kharkiv

I've protected this article for one week due to edit-warring. Please note that if the edit-warring continues after the protection expires you are likely to be blocked. I suggest that you take the time to explore Wikipedia's naming policies; names that are in common use in English should be included on the English-language wikipedia, regardless of whether they are the "correct" spellings. There is no place on Wikipedia for nationalist POV-pushing. Karanacs (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Myrhorod or Mirgorod

Rkononenko, you've been warned before about removing Russian alternate names for Ukrainian cities that are also known by their Russian names in English. Please stop removing the Russian alternate name at Myrhorod. (Taivo (talk) 10:22, 27 April 2010 (UTC))

Wikipedia doesn't care about Ukrainian aspirations to be independent of all things Russian. All it cares about is English usage. Since Myrhorod is also known in English as Mirgorod, then the alternate name stays and is bolded for the ease of our users. This has been discussed at many other articles and you know that very well. Stop vandalizing the Myrhorod article. (Taivo (talk) 10:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC))

May 2010

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Before you start again

Just a warning one more time. Removing all things Russian from Ukrainian pages is not acceptable in Wikipedia. In Crimea, the names are in Russian, not in Ukrainian, so Wikipedia should follow local naming practices when there is no common English equivalent. Unlike other parts of Ukraine where there is a mix of Ukrainian and Russian speakers and everyone speaks Surzhyk anyway, Crimea is very heavily Russian-speaking with only a minority of Ukrainian speakers. I remind you that Wikipedia is not the place for you to push a political agenda. Wikipedia merely describes the facts as they are. --Taivo (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

November 2010

This is your last warning; the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Kievan Rus', you may be blocked from editing without further notice. You have been asked many times to NOT change the "i" to "y" in names. Changing Kiev to Kyiv when it is NOT the "Official name", or "Kievsky" to "Kyivsky" Chaosdruid (talk) 20:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

December 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Igor Sikorsky, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Please note that although Sikorsky was born in Kiev, he was a Russian citizen then and throughout his early years. Bzuk (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

He was born in Kiev, was a citizen of Ukraine, which was at the time a part of Russian Empire. This does not make him Russian --Rkononenko (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, don't buy that, your parents give you citizenship. I also find that the other revisions you are presently championing are as questionable. Bzuk (talk) 18:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC) Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Since the Ukraine was not a nation then (part of Russian Empire), Sikorsky's nationality could not be Ukrainian. Ethnicity is another matter.. -fnlayson (talk) 22:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

July 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edits you made to Myrhorod, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --Taivo (talk) 02:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Kharkov

On 27 December 2011, Encyclopedia Britannica gave three spellings as cited in the article on Kharkov. Rather unhelpfully, they have since changed it (as you noticed). This is one of the problem with online sources, they are as fickle as the weather.

The reality is that the normal English language name for the city is Kharkov. But a load of foreigners insist that Wikipedia spell it with an 'i', even though the people who live there normally spell it in English with an 'o'.

Please do not make edits to the article solely to promote your point of view.--Toddy1 (talk) 09:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

June 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. at Kharkiv. --Taivo (talk) 03:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

July 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Kharkiv, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. --Taivo (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI thread

A tread has been initiated concerning your disruptive edits at ANI noticeboard. --Taivo (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for edit warring and disruption esp. at Kharkiv. See ANI thread. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Drmies (talk) 01:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Rkononenko (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I was blocked by Administrator Drmies for "Edit warring". I request to be unblocked, since I did not intend to to wage an "edit war", but rather simply put the spelling (and alternative spellings) of article Kharkiv in accordance with modern English transliteration of this city in English. The way I edited the article is 100% in accordance with another respectable encyclopedia Britannica (see http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316419/Kharkiv) and it confirms that I was right in making Kharkiv the only name for the city, and changing Kharkov as merely a latinization of the city name from Russian. The only people that opposed this were Russian-ultra-defenders Taivo and a few others. I thereby, humbly request to be unblocked, since according to my knowledge I did not perfome any "edit war", but rather corrected the first sentence in the article in accordance with another respectable encyclopedia Britannica.

Decline reason:

Sorry, but you don't get unblocked by continuing your content dispute here. At Wikipedia, when you disagree about content, you should discuss it on the article Talk page and seek consensus. You should not edit war, and you do not get an exemption from the edit warring rules "because you are right" - everyone who has a dispute over content thinks they are right! You will need to at least show some understanding of that, and make a credible commitment to discuss your disputes rather than warring over them. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Actually, looking back on your history here, I'd say you're lucky you're not indefinitely blocked - because you will be if you don't stop the Ukrainian/Russian disruption that you have been engaged in for more than two years. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)