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== Sikh Awareness Society == |
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I cut the following passage a few days ago from this article because it appears problematic: |
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:[Quote]However the organization [i.e. the SAS] is known to have radical anti-Muslim Sikh elements according to the Mail on Sunday and Huffington Post;* [[Faith Matters]], a charity based on interfaith cohesion, notes that the group have ties with the [[English Defence League]] (EDL) and have even set up secret meetings at demonstrations in the past.* The SAS however deny the allegations and have sought to distance themselves with the organisation.<ref name="faithmatterseld"/><ref name="HuffPostJessicaElgot"/>[end quote] |
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*Citations: Lane, H.S. & Feldman, Matthew: "A Study of the English Defence League", from Faith Matters; date=September 2012; pages=29[http://faith-matters.org/images/stories/edl%20report.pdf]; Elgot, Jessica: "EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report" [http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/23/edl-religious-groups-targeted-anti-islam_n_1907562.html] The Huffington Post |
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This has today been reinstated, I assume in good faith: hence my explanation here why IMHO it has no business in this article. |
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Basically we've got a report presented by ''Faith Matters'', which has been itself reported/echoed by Huffington Post with little or no elaboration. The ''Mail on Sunday'' only features because a quotation from that paper appears in the Faith Matters report as follows: "Sikhs and EDL members held a secret meeting in Luton to discuss a joint response to the problem. Both sides are said to have favoured acts of vigilantism". Notice that it doesn't specify that this involved a Sikh organization, let alone name one. The only evidence the ''Faith Matters'' report offers that SAS was involved is "common consensus" - which is basically not fact but hearsay. |
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Unless a reliable source can be found which states as a matter of fact (rather than reporting hearsay) that there was a meeting between SAS and EDL members, then we have no business repeating it. Rather, the SAS has since proved itself an organization not only to be taken seriously but to respect - witness the conviction just this past August of six men at Leicester Crown Court for paying a "vulnerable and damaged" 16-year-old Sikh girl for sex, on evidence gathered by the SAS (as reported by the BBC: see [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hXTM7ehvtk] BBC ''Inside Out'' London, 02/09/2013 from 24:10). [[User:Alfietucker|Alfietucker]] ([[User talk:Alfietucker|talk]]) 16:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Sikh Awareness Society
I cut the following passage a few days ago from this article because it appears problematic:
- [Quote]However the organization [i.e. the SAS] is known to have radical anti-Muslim Sikh elements according to the Mail on Sunday and Huffington Post;* Faith Matters, a charity based on interfaith cohesion, notes that the group have ties with the English Defence League (EDL) and have even set up secret meetings at demonstrations in the past.* The SAS however deny the allegations and have sought to distance themselves with the organisation.[1][2][end quote]
- Citations: Lane, H.S. & Feldman, Matthew: "A Study of the English Defence League", from Faith Matters; date=September 2012; pages=29[1]; Elgot, Jessica: "EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report" [2] The Huffington Post
This has today been reinstated, I assume in good faith: hence my explanation here why IMHO it has no business in this article.
Basically we've got a report presented by Faith Matters, which has been itself reported/echoed by Huffington Post with little or no elaboration. The Mail on Sunday only features because a quotation from that paper appears in the Faith Matters report as follows: "Sikhs and EDL members held a secret meeting in Luton to discuss a joint response to the problem. Both sides are said to have favoured acts of vigilantism". Notice that it doesn't specify that this involved a Sikh organization, let alone name one. The only evidence the Faith Matters report offers that SAS was involved is "common consensus" - which is basically not fact but hearsay.
Unless a reliable source can be found which states as a matter of fact (rather than reporting hearsay) that there was a meeting between SAS and EDL members, then we have no business repeating it. Rather, the SAS has since proved itself an organization not only to be taken seriously but to respect - witness the conviction just this past August of six men at Leicester Crown Court for paying a "vulnerable and damaged" 16-year-old Sikh girl for sex, on evidence gathered by the SAS (as reported by the BBC: see [3] BBC Inside Out London, 02/09/2013 from 24:10). Alfietucker (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)